Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Celebrity Cricket League


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The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 15:43, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Celebrity Cricket League

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Non-notable cricket league. Involves Indian celebrities, not played to a high enough standard to indicate notability per WP:CRIN. Outside of India it will get little coverage. Fails WP:GNG. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 10:01, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: Agree that currently the league is unfficial and not very notable and involves only celebrities.

But considering that this is in India there is always the chance of the organizers involving cricketers in the league, to increase attention and attraction. So, we have to have this article ready for such situation also. We just cannot create the article then and dig out all past details.

Also, I don not think that not much interest outside India is a criterion. Afterall, test cricket is played by 10 out of the 220 odd nations in the world. So, cricket itself do not have much interest in the whole world. Again, who else is interested in leagues run in Zimbabwe, Kenya and all, even though official ? Also, there are 1000s of articles on Indian topics which do not draw any interestby people outside. Same is the case with articles from any country.

If your main concern is the categories, we can discuss on removing some categories and keep only the acceptable ones for the time being. Our intention should not be to delete articles. but how to improve them. But, I strongly oppose deleting the article beacause there is lot of interest shown to this event by the film lovers in India, which itself will runs into billions of people. There is also going to be a TV coverage of this tournament. This league will get more TV viewers than an Ashes series, because this is held in India.

One more point. Indian Cricket League was also unofficial, it is now defunct also. Still it holds all the categories and have a valid article in Wikipedia. Anish Viswa  01:57, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - Non-notable cricket league, fails WP:CRIN. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 08:42, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin: this delete !vote is from the nominator. To AssociateAffiliate, it is common practice in AfDs for the nominator's not to make a !vote like this, although I understand it was made in good faith. Jenks24 (talk) 15:27, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Apologies Jenks24, I'll cross out my delete. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 19:12, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions.  —AssociateAffiliate (talk) 10:18, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Cannot agree to deletion of article. The categories related to cricket can be removed and can be kept to Entertainment in India section. There is no rule that celebrities cannot play cricket, nor all cricket should have professionals playing. There is a lot of interest for this event in India. Anish Viswa  12:38, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. This is the same sort of principle as the long running Soccer Six tournament in England, and, to my knowledge, that doesn't have an article. The players may be notable, but notability is not inheritable. Andrew nixon (talk) 15:50, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Do not delete: Players are very notable. They are big superstars. The tournament is also notable and much expected. Please do not compare with some soccer tournament is a small country like England. Unofficial tournaments like Hong Kong International Cricket Sixes have articles. We removed all categories related to cricket from the article. So WP:CRIN is no longer applicable to this article. Instead of asking to delete the article (which adds no value), it will be great if you can provide your valuable suggestions to improve/modify the article and keep the article here. Thank you for the support. Anish Viswa  00:28, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: You've made your point, you don't need to keep making it. The original reason for nomination isn't quite accurate, but that doesn't make the deletion any less valid. This is an almost completely non-notable event. The comparison with the Soccer Six tournament in England is perfectly valid. That is a small tournament for celebrities that gets some coverage in English media, but mostly none elsewhere. This is a small tournament for celebrities that gets some coverage in Indian media but mostly none elsewhere. It's a joke of an event, a jolly for some celebrity friends. Not everything done by celebrities is important. Andrew nixon (talk) 06:09, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. This is by WP:CRIN and WP:ATH a non-notable cricket event; however notable the "celebrities" are for other deeds, they are not notable for cricket or participation in this. If some of these people are interested in cricket or even in playing cricket, then that might make a note within their own articles, but it does not make their cricket notable. Johnlp (talk) 23:02, 4 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: I seriously doubt this league would get anywhere near viewing figures for the Ashes, even if it did that doesn't mean it is notable.  Also, these actors might be "superstars" in India, but as already pointed out, it doesn't make their cricket or this tournament notable.  There are no notable domestic leagues in Kenya, but in Zimbabwes case, it is a full member, therefore its domestic leagues are notable as they have first-class, List A, T20 status ect.  That is what WP:CRIN largely goes by, not always, but most of the time.  Being based in India doesn't make it notable either. 10 members of the ICC might be Test nations (down to the closed door approach of the ICC), but cricket is more popular than you made out with that statement.  Not that that has any bearing on this AfD, just thought I'd point that out! AssociateAffiliate (talk) 12:08, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, also an element of WP:CRYSTAL when the impact of this league is not yet known. S.G.(GH) ping! 15:22, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. I understand this !vote comes late in the AfD and that, at the moment it would appear to be a clear delete outcome. However, this tournament clearly meets the general notability guideline (GNG). A simple google news search (not even the archive) for "Celebrity Cricket League" gives 60 results, many of which are enough to be the significant coverage in independent reliable sources that the GNG requires. Some examples include, The Times of India (1, 2, 3, 4, 5), Deccan Herald (1, 2, 3, 4), The Indian Express (1), The Deccan Chronicle (1, 2) and The Hindu (1). These are all from the first page of my google news search, so even more coverage than that could easily be found. To the comments above about not meeting WP:CRIN, that may very well be true, but CRIN is inclusive, not exclusive, and meeting the GNG proves notability. As to the comments about not being notable outside of India, that has never been a notability criteria (although it would be easy to argue that being notable in a country of 1.2 billion people is enough even if that were true). As to the WP:CRYSTAL comment, this tournament is verifiably occurring right now, so I'm unsure how CRYSTAL applies at all. Jenks24 (talk) 15:27, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: I think GNG relies nowadays too much upon google search results. It's India, so cricket is popular, it involves celebrities so will get attention, but as above points have said, it doesn't make their cricket or this tournament wholly notable.  It's just a glorified cricket league, played at a poor standard which gets attention solely because it involves Bollywood celebrities and is cricket - both of which in India are likely to get attention, but none outside of India.  Then you'd have to ask where do we draw the line?  Some celebrities having a jolly gets an article, but what about unofficial cricket leagues played to a higher standard, with actual cricketers, but with less coverage????? AssociateAffiliate (talk) 20:17, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I can understand where you're coming from here, but these are major newspapers in India (not just tabloid rubbish) that have deemed the tournament notable enough to cover. To the comments about the quality of cricket, I definitely agree with you that there are many leagues around the world (hell, probably even my local league) that play to a much higher quality, but it is not the quality of cricket that has made the tournament notable, but rather the Bollywood celebrities (who are huge in India) have made the tournament notable. Again, just because the "significant coverage" required by the GNG will likely be confined to India, that is not a reason to delete an article on a topic that is notable to 1.2 billion people. Jenks24 (talk) 20:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete As a unofficial cricket league with out any significant coverage fails WP:GNG. Mtking (talk) 21:06, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Agree entirely that it's "unofficial", but to find significant coverage, either look at my !vote or search for "Celebrity Cricket League" on google news. I'm at a loss as to how you can think this fails the GNG. Jenks24 (talk) 21:22, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The coverage I looked at is directly related to what notable celebrities are doing and does not address the league directly and in detail. This is a case that a just because a notable person is associated with a cricket game/league it does not make that game/league notable. I am willing to change my mind if you can show me coverage that is not of that type.Mtking (talk) 21:57, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what you mean here by coverage. The event is covered by all leading national dailies in India like The Hindu, Times of India, Deccan Heralad etc. both in their Print and Internet editions. The news is covered in all major news channels including CNN-IBN, NDTV etc. All major portals like SIFY cover the event. The matches are played in international stadiums like Chinnasamy, Chidambaram etc. to packed houses. The matches are covered like all over India by 4 channels - Sahara One, STAR Vijay, MAA TV, Gamini TV all having a huge customer base. Anish Viswa  23:47, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The issue here is that is the coverage is either about what the notable celebrities are taking part or is just routine coverage of a sports event, there is nothing that I have seen that that could be called significant coverage that address the league directly in detail. If you disagree then please post a link to it and I am willing to re-consider. Mtking (talk) 00:10, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
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