Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Celina Szymanowska


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Piotrus's sources look promising, but they need to be checked and added to the article. (Notability requires verifiable evidence.) Editors should feel free to renominate in a few months if no convincing evidence of notability has appeared. — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 14:32, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Celina Szymanowska

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Notability is not inherited from her husband or mother. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:13, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Is notability inherited, then, from a father, as in the case of Adèle Hugo, daughter of Victor Hugo? Would anyone ever have heard of Adele H. if she had not been the daughter of Victor Hugo?  Nihil novi (talk) 04:05, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


 * delete definitely WP:NOTINHERITED. LibStar (talk) 08:23, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 10:24, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment One can find Shimon Peres making a speech in Lithuania in 2006, referring specifically to Szymanowska: "Peres also referred to Lithuanian-born poet and political activist Adam Mickiewicz, who though known as Poland's greatest poet, always remained a Lithuanian at heart. Married to a Polish-Jewish woman, Celina Szymanowska, Mickiewicz, in 1855, recounted Peres, organized a Jewish legion to fight against Russia in the Crimean War." (Jerusalem Post, via Highbeam (subscription required). AllyD (talk) 11:22, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. That's only a passing mention, and only in relation to her husband. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:06, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The partners of figures such as poets are in a strange position, often subject to scholarly research. Without wanting to get all WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, see Dante's, Shakespeare's, TS Eliot's. In this case, there are articles such as this (partially hidden behind the JSTOR wall), cited in several books on the Jews in Poland, as well as the "Celina i Adam Mickiewiczowie" book referenced in the article. Possibly the answer is to enhance the Mickiewicz article. AllyD (talk) 14:59, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. She may be notable because of how she influenced other notable figures. This is the argument that ended deletion discussions at Articles for deletion/Alois Hitler both on en and pl wikis, and on pl wiki, Karol Wojtyła (senior) (still needs to be discussed here...). I have not yet researched Mickiewicz biography extensively, and PSB entry on him gives her only one short paragraph. She is also not mentioned in the upcoming Polski Słownik Biograficzny tome covering her name range . At the same time, she seems to be in the title of at least one book (, GBooks tells me her name is mentioned 88 times in it), is covered by another (, GBooks tells me her name is mentioned 82 times in it), and seems to have a chapter dedicated to her in yet another recent work (I couldn't confirm this one as the book is not yet scanned in Google Books). She is also discussed in this article. Overall, I think an argument can be made that she is discussed sufficiently in some works (broad coverage) to be kept. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  16:51, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  16:52, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep, for all the pertinent reasons given above. I see no reason why Adèle Hugo, mentally ill daughter of Victor Hugo, or Vivienne Haigh-Wood Eliot, mentally ill wife of T.S. Eliot, should be considered notable, whereas Celina Mickiewicz, mentally ill wife of Adam Mickiewicz, should not be.  Nihil novi (talk) 04:12, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.