Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Celph Titled (2nd nomination)


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The result was  Delete. Not subject of  multiple  non-trivial coverage in secondary sources independent of the subject.  Jerry  talk ¤ count/logs 03:21, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Celph Titled

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Contested prod. Non-notable, failed previous AfD, still fails WP:MUSIC. Mdsummermsw (talk) 14:29, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Has anything changed since Articles for deletion/Celph Titled?--Troikoalogo (talk) 14:37, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:MUSIC in every way, though I like his recording name. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 17:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  23:39, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment – Before this gets closed, it might be worth looking through these to see if there are any non-trivial mentions. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 20:03, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've now deleted the material that appeared to have been copied from another website, and have added a few of the media mentions, which mostly help to verify his many collaborations with other (blue-linked) artists. Although the discussions about Celph himself are brief there are many, more than just the five I added. I would say keep, per WP:MUSIC criterion #1 and give this article more of a chance to expand. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 04:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - significant coverage PhilKnight (talk) 15:23, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Please identify the specific sources you feel are significant coverage in reliable sources. The first few I get in that search are a blog, two sentences in an article identifying him and other "new talent", another blog, minor mention, mentions in a non-reliable source, etc. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 16:31, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Mdsummermsw, I'll rephrase. PhilKnight (talk) 16:36, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak keep - adequate coverage PhilKnight (talk) 16:36, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Can you please explain which sources you feel show that Celph Titled is the "subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable"? Of the examples I cited above, all were trivial mentions and/or unreliable sources. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 17:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This mention isn't entirely trivial. PhilKnight (talk) 17:47, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's the entire content of that: Celph Titled was a producer, first in 1997 with his own group, then with Kool G. Rap and Ice-T. His single, "Right Now" was heard by a DJ. I don't see that as substantial coverage. I could write more, citing reliable sources, about my 5th grade gym teacher. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 18:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


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