Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Celtic flags


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  13:47, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Celtic flags

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Not a notable list subject. The flags have nothing in common (the countries do of course), the "official" union flags have no notability nor any evidence that they are official. Fram (talk) 12:45, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: France, Ireland,  and United Kingdom. Fram (talk) 12:45, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak conditional keep: I would have said 'Delete' were it not for the inclusion of pan-Celtic flags, which makes me think that the entry, with a lot of work (especially more context on the flags, which do not appear on the main entries, also to illustrate their significance, if they have any) and possibly a renaming, could be repurposed to something more alike the Nordic cross flag entry. _ MB190417  _ (talk) 12:58, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Additional comment: Just in light of subsequent discussion to say that in my view, the only redeeming feature of the entry is the pan-Celtic flags (i.e. flags representing all Celtic nations; if and only if such flags can be proved to be notable). A Flags of Celtic Nations entry without these flags would be no more than a list of Celtic nations/regions and I'd be surprised if it survived an AfD. _  MB190417  _ (talk) 14:28, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @MB190417, If it were to be like Nordic cross flag it would technically be about "triskelion flags", as that is the element shared by all three pan-Celtic flags but not in most of the Celtic nations ones (though IOM has a legged version). But an article on three proposed unofficial flags (I find no evidence of official use) that happen to use the same icon, probably does not meet notability guidelines. And could easily be in other articles, including triskelion or pan-Celticism. IOM and Sicily are already at triskelion, not sure whether than pan-Celtic ones should be though as they're unofficial (from my searches).  Dank Jae  20:22, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, @DankJae; I've struck through my original comment and now suggest Merge with Pan-Celticism per your contributions. _ MB190417  _ (talk) 20:31, 6 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep needs some references adding to it but seems notable and probably needs the flags of other recognised Celtic areas added to the page. Would probably rename to Flags of Celtic Nations.--MartyTheArty (talk) 13:45, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * How do you determine that "it seems to be notable" without sources? Fram (talk) 13:47, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - this OR and Synthesis to me. What is the definition of a "Celtic Flag"? Appears to be a list of flags of so-called Celtic regions and nations. Spleodrach (talk) 13:55, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have added some reference and commentary to address this issue. I will refine this and add more later. --MartyTheArty (talk) 15:02, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * None of the sources seem to address this though (some show or list the individual flags), nor do they address the pan-celtic flags at first sight. Can you indicate which of your sources actually discuss "celtic flags"? Something like this doesn't even mention the word flag (nor does it show one), and neither does this one, so their value for this article (never mind to determine notability) seems very limited at best. Fram (talk) 15:11, 4 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete. This article is, in effect, a list. Ostensibly a list of flags of Celtic nations. Unless WP:NLIST can be demonstrated, to the extent that all of the list members are discussed "as a group or set by independent reliable sources", I don't see how I could recommend anything other than deletion. Any alternatives to deletion (like redirecting and covering in the Celtic nations article) might apply to other titles (like the proposed "Flags of Celtic Nations"). But not the current Celtic flags title. As there is no indication that this term has any established meaning. (Certainly all of the refs in the article deal with the concept of the Celtic nations. Not the concept of "Celtic flags"). Guliolopez (talk) 16:03, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, per above. Rarely any lists nor articles on cultural flags or flags of a broad cultural category, flags already largely present at Celtic Nations, Pan-Celticism and Flags of Europe. Not sure what the article means by official in the Pan-celtic section, a image search using the flags and the source description do not indicate any official use by any organisation. Therefore not notable enough to categorise by cultural grouping and quite a bit WP:SYNTH.  Dank Jae  20:29, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: as per another editor above, delete due to unclear title as well as "Flags of Celtic Nations" (since created), while content could be split and merged into multiple articles there is no clear destination for "Celtic flags" and "Flags of Celtic Nations" so better to delete both entirely.  Dank Jae  22:18, 6 January 2023 (UTC)


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