Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cem Hakko


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The result was   keep. J04n(talk page) 09:29, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Cem Hakko

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Biography of a living person with no external sources, written in glowing terms (like an official bio). At least one problem is that it's obviously a translation of the Turkish Wikipedia's article - tr:Cem Hakko - with no attribution. B (talk) 18:49, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:30, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:31, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:31, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:31, 8 March 2013 (UTC)


 * The copyright issue takes no longer to fix than to describe, so is not a reason for deletion. I have no opinion yet about any other issues with the article. Phil Bridger (talk) 14:09, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - Most of what is on Google News is in Turkish, but there does seem to be a lot of it. I'm also seeing a number of hits on Google Books (again, nothing in English). I see this - reads like a press release, but does indicate that Vakko has been around since 1934 and I do see lots of substantial coverage for the brand, although that article also needs work doing on it. If Cem Hakko is shown not to be demonstrably notable enough (I can't really comment at this point) for a standalone article, it should certainly be a redirect to Vakko. Mabalu (talk) 15:41, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - per Google Books. Even without going to newspapers. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:09, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you clarify how the Google Books sources demonstrate notability? For example, much of what I see looks like random namedrops in directories and lists of business individuals, which simply show that he exists, but don't appear sufficient from what is visible to demonstrate notability. Mabalu (talk) 12:20, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Did you not see this?
 * Jürgen Gottschlich, Dilek Zaptcioglu Istanbul 2011 Page 19 "Jewish businessmen as Ishak Alaton, which operates in the field of electronics, and the emperor of fashion Cem Hakko (Vakko) are currently among the best known of İstanbul."
 * This is in Italian In ictu oculi (talk) 03:28, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't read or understand Italian, which was why I was asking for clarification re the sources. Thank you for the translation. Mabalu (talk) 10:46, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries, I actually hadn't added the translation part when I added to article. My view is when I see a non-native Google Book hit (meaning in Italian not Turkish in this case) then hello that's probably notability, and with a major language like Italian Google Translate is pretty easy to use for AfD checking purposes (though the article footnote is my own translation) In ictu oculi (talk) 02:28, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T ofutwitch11  (T ALK ) 22:42, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


 * keep – SJ + 02:00, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
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