Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cendrillon (Julius Rudel recording)


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The result was Keep.  JGHowes   talk  01:09, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Cendrillon (Julius Rudel recording)

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Fails all of the criteria of WP:WikiProject Classical music/Guidelines. -- Softlavender (talk) 20:41, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
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 * Strong Keep per WP:NALBUM. The article's COPYVIO issue has now been addressed - brief quotes from reviews will be supplied in due course. As the first recording of this opera, the album is of fundamental importance in the history of the work. See Notes, March 2013, pp. 607-608; William Schoell's The Opera of the Twentieth Century, 2015, p. 277; Opera, September 1979, p. 880; Charles Osborne's The Opera Lover's Companion, 2007, p. 221; High Fidelity/Musical America, Vol. 29, Issue 2, 1979, p. 81; and Horizon, Vol. 22, 1979, p. 26.Niggle1892 (talk) 01:18, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Comment. The criteria in WP:WikiProject Classical music/Guidelines is from an essay by a WikiProject and does not carry the broad support of wikipedia policy. Further, this guideline section is currently being considered for removal for WP:NPOV concerns, as well as its conflict with the policy at WP:NALBUM.4meter4 (talk) 01:24, 20 September 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. note that it also fails WP:NALBUM and WP:COPYVIO. The main bulk of the article consists of long paraphrases of critics reviews - these are certainly violations of copyright.Smerus (talk) 07:05, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per criteria 1 of WP:NALBUM. According to Gramophone this is the only existing recording of this opera (see here). Niccolai Gedda discussed recording the album in The New York Times (here), and the recording was discussed critically in relation to the work's later performance with the Washington National Opera in this NYT review: see here. The work also has it's own entry in the reference work The Metropolitan Opera Guide to Recorded Opera, Paul Gruber, W. W. Norton & Company, New York City, 1993, page 246 (viewable in google books here) Additionally, I located reviews offline in High Fidelity, Volume 30, Issues 7-12, Page 191, 1980; and Fanfare, Volume 5, Issues 4-6, Page 297.4meter4 (talk) 16:23, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 23:55, 26 September 2019 (UTC) Comment That this is the world premiere recording of a Massenet opera makes it ipso facto notable - Massenet is regularly performed in all the world's top opera houses.Niggle1892 (talk) 02:38, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NALBUM. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:50, 27 September 2019 (UTC)


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