Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Centericq


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The result was no consensus.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 15:44, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Centericq

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DELETE. Centericq appears to be a text mode chat client which is no longer in production. I searched and was able to find 6 matches on Google Books, but all of them were either strange Wikipedia mirrors or trivial passing mentions such as "Centericq - instant messenger client that allows feed reading" or "CenterICQ (more than just ICQ)" and nothing more. Given that the software product has been discontinued, it seems unlikely that it will ever be receiving any significant coverage from reliable third party sources, but I'd like to bring this before the community to discuss rather than PROD it. JBsupreme (talk) 00:47, 30 December 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  SilkTork  *YES! 16:44, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: All that I can find for significant coverage is this. Fails WP:N. Joe Chill (talk) 02:40, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Changed to Keep: Per Pcap. Sorry for taking a long time to get back to this AfD. Joe Chill (talk) 00:10, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions.  -- Joe Chill (talk) 02:40, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 *  Weak keep. Found a review in Softpedia: . Pcap ping  03:09, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It's also briefly mentioned in a few books,  (it's only in a table there, I have the book) and this book  makes me think it was reviewed in a round-up in the March 2005 issue of Linux Format (that number is not freely online). Alternative we could merge this, naim and similar in an article on Console instant messenger clients or similar. Clearly there are a few of these, which receive attention. Pcap  ping  03:19, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Also found a long article about it in Czech . I'm not familiar with that site, but it's ranked 385 in the Czech republic by Alexa. . Pcap ping  03:25, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * "Recenze" in Czech means "review" according to google :-) Pcap ping  03:28, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, the site has ISSN 1214-1267, which presumably means it's an online magazine, not just a blog. Pcap ping  03:39, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Like DGG put it many times, the fact that a software is discontinued, is not in itself a reason to delete it. Especially if sources about it exist. Pcap ping  03:28, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Third review in another Czech online mag; added it to the article. Pcap ping  03:52, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Also has a paragraph in this OSNews article on console apps. Pcap ping  04:14, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * And included in round-up review in Free Software Magazine issue 7 (see web pages 2-3). Pcap  ping  05:04, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per Pcap's sources; appears to barely cross notability threshold, in my book.  Cocytus   [»talk«]  22:47, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

The most complex of the applications I’ve looked at for this review, CenterICQ supports ICQ, Yahoo!, AIM, IRC, MSN, Gadu-Gadu and Jabber in the same application. We are, of course, only interested in the IRC interface, but as with naim, the ability to use just one application for your instant messaging needs is an advantage, albeit at the cost of additional complexity.
 * Delete - The sources don't seem to be enough to show any significant coverage of this topic. Doesn't seem to meet basic WP:N PanydThe muffin is not subtle 17:00, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per Pcap sources, now included in the article. Passes WP:GNG. -- Cycl o pia talk  00:09, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Open source licensed software. Samboy (talk) 08:43, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep jbsupreme is right in saying that centericq has been temporarily discontinued. Nevertheless, centerim is actively developed and there are many references to centerim in google. In Google Scholar there are different docments referencing centericq. Also, if we search for centerim in the wikipedia, it redirects to centericq. I would suggest to rename the page to "centerim", make "centericq" redirect to "centerim" and mention that "centerim" is a fork of "centericq". Mimosinnet (talk) 18:14, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That's actually a bad idea. There's hardly any secondary coverage about CenterIM. Pcap ping  18:21, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete sources shown are trivial mentions, often not even more than appearance a comma delimited list. Miami33139 (talk) 21:54, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * From the "reference nazi", (that is me). Here's the coverage in one of the articles (the other have similar lenght):

Unlike the other solutions, CenterICQ provides a windows-like interface built on top of the usual curses text interface. The interface provides you with a lot of information, but the screen can be cluttered if you have a smaller terminal window—even a relatively standard 80 columns and 25 lines looks a bit tight. The screen is basically split into three familiar sections, a list of connections on the left, including open private conversations and public IRC channels, the main “conversation” and information window taking up the bulk of the screen, and a small command/control panel at the bottom.

Unlike the other solutions, CenterICQ provides a windows-like interface built on top of the usual curses text interface. The interface provides you with a lot of information, but the screen can be cluttered if you have a smaller terminal window

What you gain of course with the extensive ncurses environment is a very comprehensive control and configuration environment that enables you to more effectively manage your communication and connections. Certainly a required element when working with an application that does so much.

The IRC support is excellent, supporting multiple servers, multiple channels and the ability to hold both public and private conversations. Because of the “windowed” interface it’s quite easy to switch between different conversations and channels, and I liked the ability to monitor and work with a number of conversations simultaneously.

You can download the source for CenterICQ from CenterICQ. There is also an extensive suite of documentation available through the website, or directly at CenterICQ Documentation. Building the application is another case of a configure script and “make”, but be prepared for a wait—the increased complexity of this application makes it a much larger build and, ultimately, a much larger target application.

There’s little to criticise with CenterICQ; the interface is fussy on very small screens, but considering the functionality beyond IRC this is not surprising. Even if you just use it for IRC, the ability to monitor activity on multiple channels is very useful and anybody involved in multiple IRC channels should certainly check it out
 * I've excluded the pictures and summary table. Pcap ping  00:28, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
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