Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Central Stadium (Leipzig, GDR)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge to Zentralstadion (1956). Randykitty (talk) 14:14, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Central Stadium (Leipzig, GDR)

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Contested CSD, but this stadium is clearly identical with Red Bull Arena (Leipzig). The Banner talk 14:43, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:46, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
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 *  Keep Merge to Zentralstadion (1956). The two stadiums are distinct in the same way as Wembley Stadium and its predecessor Wembley Stadium (1923); the additional content created at this page should be added to the old stadium article. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 15:04, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Zentralstadion (1956) already exists; the creator of this new article initially improved that, then decided instead to make a new article and redirect that one there (I've undone the redirect). This article is claiming the precursor stadium never closed. It's a POV fork. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:29, 31 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep
 * 1) It fulfills all interests, due the mass events there.
 * 2) It is world- known.
 * 3) It has an other size and design than the stadium today. The stands can not be entered.
 * 4) The article size would be too big emerged into the Red Bull (Arena), after the Wikipedia guidelines.
 * 5) The Red Bull Arena is an other stadium for itself and is closed to the old stadium wall.
 * 6) The article has been patrolled, by administrators.
 * 7) Before the article here, it was excluded from the Red Bull Arena Leipzig, due the architecture and form with shapes.
 * 8) The two stadiums are distinct in the same way as Wembley Stadium and its predecessor Wembley Stadium (1923).
 * 9) We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. The Red Bull, Arena has it's own soul and era and also the Central Stadium. Both articles are unfinished.
 * 10) Those two stadiums are distinguish extreme from each other.
 * 11) Two different political systems the two stadiums have.
 * 12) Both stadiums are linked to each other.
 * 13) It fulfills the guideline: Splitting
 * 14) Wikipedia is browser orientated and readers wants to have the overview with short loading times.
 * 15) Wikipedia is not a book.
 * 16) All sources are existing.
 * 17) You can redirect the article from the begin until the renovation/closing. For example: Central Stadium, Leipzig (1956-2000)
 * Nukefirestadium (talk) 15:38, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

+++That is the English Wikipedia and the article name should be in English and not in German. The year 1956 alone is wrong and nonsense. --Nukefirestadium (talk) 16:08, 31 October 2014 (UTC) ++++Central Stadium (German: Zentralstadion, German pronunciation: [tsɛnˈtra:lˈʃta:di̯ɔn])--Nukefirestadium (talk) 16:13, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) Use an English name. --Nukefirestadium (talk) 15:47, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Merege to Zentralstadion (1956). Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:55, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Here They all have the name Central Stadium.--Nukefirestadium (talk) 16:27, 31 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment. Nukefirestadium has been blocked for a week for edit warring. S/he had created a copy/paste version of the article at Central Stadium, Leipzig (1956-2000) and redirected the article to that title. I have undone the redirecting and will now instead redirect the new copy to Central Stadium (Leipzig, GDR). However, the point about using an English title is a valid one; Zentralstadion (1956) should probably be moved after this AfD finishes. (It also has already been expanded by Nukefirestadium - there is not much merging left to be done.) Yngvadottir (talk) 17:14, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment After this sockpuppet investigation, Nukefirestadium is block indefinitely as sock puppet. As far as I know, a reason to revert all of his edits. The Banner talk 18:48, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge this article and Zentralstadion (1956), but don't merge with Red Bull Arena (Leipzig). Now we have a huge mess and the average reader doesn't know if it's 1, 2, or 3 stadiums, or whether they existed at the same time, are connected, or are on the same spot. Since it's 2 stadia, where the original Central Stadium existed and was demolished years before the Red Bull Stadium was being built, this is a case like the Wembley Stadium (1923) and Wembley Stadium, or Yankee Stadium (1923) and Yankee Stadium, where the two stadia share a name and general proximity. Epicgenius (talk) 18:26, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge to Zentralstadion (1956) (clear fork that needs to be remedied ASAP). Keep separate from the piece on the new incarnation of the facility. Carrite (talk) 11:57, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge - to Zentralstadion (1956). IJA (talk) 15:20, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.