Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Centralskolan, Staffanstorp


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Staffanstorp. NW ( Talk ) 01:27, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Centralskolan, Staffanstorp

 * – ( View AfD View log  •  )

prod contested Article a small high school which fails general notability guideline. Oo7565 (talk) 07:38, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions.  -- Bradjamesbrown (talk) 09:18, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  -- Bradjamesbrown (talk) 09:18, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Here's the school's website in case a Swedish speaker passes by.  I don't know enough about the Swedish system to common further at this time. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 09:26, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - the highest level of compulsory schooling, equivalent to high school, is notable. I notice that there are plenty of sources in Swedish available in Google. The way forward is to translate and incorporate the sources not to delete. TerriersFan (talk) 18:41, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per TerriersFan again. JBsupreme (talk) 19:04, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - a run-of-the-mill municipal primary school with no particular claim to fame. By the standards of Swedish Wikipedia, no schools of this type are notable enough for stand-alone articles, and the article on this specific school was redirected to Staffanstorp three years ago. The same has been done for all regular Swedish primary schools (grundskola) in Swedish Wikipedia, while secondary schools (gymnasieskola) are often considered notable. The guideline is located here for those who know how to read Swedish or put their faith in Google translate... Setting the standard significantly lower in English Wikipedia would look strange to me. By the way, national statistics tell us that in the school year 2008/2009, there were 4,755 primary schools in Sweden, of which 1,804 offered classes 7-9. This is one of around half a dozen of schools of this kind that currently happen have articles - and is no more notable than any of the other circa 1,800 or 4,750. The majority of existing articles are actually on Swedish schools that "stand out" by being interantional, boarding schools, having a long history or being situated in architecturally important buildings; this school doesn't. Tomas e (talk) 22:19, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You probably have already noticed this, but this is not the Swedish Wikipedia. JBsupreme (talk) 00:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It was a major contributing reason to why I wrote in English. Unfortunately, that didn't seem to make it easier for you to comprehend what I wrote. Tomas e (talk) 19:24, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You probably noticed that you ignored the majority of the above comment. /Grillo (talk) 14:00, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well to spell it out in full, on en the general notability guidelines apply (WP:N); see Schools. It follows from this that all secondary schools are notable because all are certain to have references in secondary, printed sources and likely in online sources too. There is no requirement for there to be something "special" about them. (Aside: it often seems to me that "Notability" is an unfortunate choice of word for the policy; "Inclusion criteria" would have been a descriptive yet neutral phrase. But we are stuck with it).
 * Just to be clear, this is a school for children aged 13-16. It is not the equivalent of a high school, but more that of a junior high. /Grillo (talk) 17:30, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Is this some sort of vague way of you suggesting the school is less notable? It doesn't sound like any junior high school I've ever heard of, and if I were to try to find an analog in the US/Canada I think high school would be the best match.  JBsupreme (talk) 18:17, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I've tried to explain the Swedish school system on the article's talk page. /Grillo (talk) 18:27, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, if enwiki wants articles about all Swedish högstadieskolor, we can give it to them. 1804 in total...it will take a while, but it sure can be done. 94.191.149.38 (talk) 18:36, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, we need something to replace the 50,000 unsourced BLP articles that should be deleted! JBsupreme (talk) 18:42, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Like this Frank Andersson one? 94.191.149.38 (talk) 18:52, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep All high schools are notable. Cunard (talk) 06:56, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Per my comments on the article's talk page. -Arb. (talk) 10:50, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * At least remove the stub-sign. There is nothing more notable to tell about a school of this kind. -- Lavallen (talk) 17:59, 27 January 2010 (UTC) (Yes, another swede.)


 * Delete, for the record. I think my opinion is clearly stated above. /Grillo (talk) 16:13, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete No claim to notability. Not a high school. "Högstadiet", ages 13-16, is equivalent to UK secondary school, US middle school, and French collège. See also this table. ¨¨ victor  falk  12:16, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete (well really merge see Cunard below): I would normally vote keep, like the other keep votes, if this was a high school.  However, the above comment appears to be correct that it is not equivalent to a high school, and i can't find sources to otherwise find it notable.--Milowent (talk) 15:09, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: If consensus is that this is not a high school, I would advocate a merge to Staffanstorp in lieu of deletion. When elementary/middle schools are brought to AfD, we always merge them to the nearest locality / school district. There is no reason not to do that in this instance. Cunard (talk) 18:44, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what i meant :-) --Milowent (talk) 05:47, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It appears that has already merged some of the information in the article so a merge/redirect is needed for attribution purposes. Cunard (talk) 08:00, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete, per Grillo. Obelix (talk) 01:22, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep or atleast merge, article contains useful encyclopedic content. Can be expanded if the right person passes by. bbx (talk) 01:53, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - come on, a small primary school? It is not a high school, by the way. Plrk (talk) 23:09, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Is there any reason you would not support the position of a merge and redirect? It is not a middle school and it is not a high school by the U.S. definition perhaps, it seems to be somewhere in between.  I'm not an expert on this though.   JBsupreme  ( talk ) 23:21, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * In the UK, though, education to 16 is considered a high school. Whatever else it is, it is not a primary school! I would add that, in any case, no convincing arguments have been adduced against a merge. TerriersFan (talk) 05:03, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * In the UK, primary school starts at age 5. In Sweden it starts at 7. High school is called Gymnasiet; see Gymnasium (school) ¨¨ victor   falk  05:34, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Merging/redirecting is fine with me; my position is better described as "not keep" rather than "delete". Plrk (talk) 09:18, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.