Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chérif Arbouz


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The result was delete. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:21, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Chérif Arbouz

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Had been DEPRODED, one ref (a mention in a book publishing magazine) was added to provide GNG (which he seem to fail), fails notability per WP:NAUTHOR, no significant, in-depth coverage of the author himself found-able. CommanderWaterford (talk) 08:33, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. CommanderWaterford (talk) 08:33, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Algeria-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:02, 26 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete fails WP:AUTHOR and WP:GNG although he IS a thing and IS an Algerian author. There just isn't sufficient RS coverage to substantiate him. I'd love someone to come up with sources, and would change my vote in a second if they do, but I couldn't. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:32, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - current sourcing includes a couple of listings, a blog, and an obit blurb. Searches did not turn up enough to pass WP:GNG, and does not meet WP:NAUTHOR.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:43, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete I added Amazon links to the books, but looks like self published? Does not appear to be notable though, no other reviews or sources found.AlejandroX839 (talk) 16:30, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep The Berber grammar alone is highly notable. A sci-fi series based in north Africa is also notable. I meant to search French-language sources, and it slipped my mind. I'll come back to that. However, it is so important to realize the context: a marginalized community would have received little coverage of its literature, even in the colonial press. Today still, most African indigenous press is online, so it's a bit specious to dismiss these sources as "blogs". Simply because he is little-known does not mean he is not notable, and in several genres to boot. Elinruby (talk) 01:36, 27 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Append comment - GNG is the wrong standard. He is an academic, linguist, and science fiction author. Of course he wouldn't have much coverage in English-langage sources. Elinruby (talk) 01:40, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I haven't looked into notability myself yet, but must point out that WP:GNG does not depend on English-language sources. Sources in French, Berber or Arabic are totally acceptable. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:57, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I can't help with Berber or Arabic. Fast pass on French Google didn't help. I will try a deeper dive into the Bibliothèque National, which may not be fully indexed. I still say that one of the only sources I have ever seen about this isolated community is notable in and of itself, and GNG is the wrong standard. For context, Kabylie is somewhat analogous to Hopiland. Also for context, although I am not Algerian nor have I ever been there, my wikignoming has led me to edit a LOT of machine translation on Algeria and the history of Algeria. Actually, I have just thought of someone who may be able to help; I will look up the name and ping her. Is there an Algerian portal or something where this can be listed? I think that an Arabic speaker would be very useful. I don't think people here realize the context. Elinruby (talk) 09:08, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * can you help here, or perhaps refer us to somebody who knows Kabylie? These editors are correct that he doesn't meet the general notability standard. I think he should be evaluated as an academic, but if we can get some better sourcing in Arabic, perhaps, we won't have to have that discussion. Thanks for any brainpower you apply to this, and please let me know if anything I said above is incorrect. Elinruby (talk) 09:21, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


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