Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chérubin (Pinchas Steinberg recording)


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The result was keep. RL0919 (talk) 00:09, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Chérubin (Pinchas Steinberg recording)

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Fails all of the criteria of WP:WikiProject Classical music/Guidelines. -- Softlavender (talk) 20:42, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:43, 18 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:NALBUM. The article's COPYVIO issue has now been addressed - brief quotes from reviews will be supplied in due course. As the first modern recording of the opera, the album is of fundamental importance in the history of the work. See Opera, February 1994, p. 247; Opernwelt, Vol. 35, 1994, p. 35.Niggle1892 (talk) 01:26, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Comment. The criteria in WP:WikiProject Classical music/Guidelines is from an essay by a WikiProject and does not carry the broad support of wikipedia policy. Further, this guideline section is currently being considered for removal for WP:NPOV concerns, as well as its conflict with the policy at WP:NALBUM.4meter4 (talk) 01:24, 20 September 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. note that it also fails WP:NALBUM and WP:COPYVIO. The main bulk of the article consists of long paraphrases of critics reviews - these are certainly violations of copyright.Smerus (talk) 07:03, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per criteria 1 of WP:NALBUM. The work has been critically reviewed in multiple publications, including Gramophone (see here) and The New York Times (see here) in addition to the offline references cited in the article. Additional offline references I have located include a review in International Record Review, Volume 7, Issue 1, Page 278. The work also has an entry in the reference work The Penguin Guide to Compact Discs, Ivan March, Edward Greenfield, Robert Layton, Penguin, 2001, page 797. If other reference works cover this content, wikipedia should too.4meter4 (talk) 15:56, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 23:54, 26 September 2019 (UTC) Comment Chérubin, initially a popular opera, was one that gradually slipped into obscurity. It was this recording that brought it back from the dead. Chérubin is now available on DVD, and has once again become familiar internationally. A premiere recording of a work by a composer as eminent as Massenet is notable ipso facto.Niggle1892 (talk) 02:39, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NALBUM. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:49, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per criteria 1 of WP:NALBUM. Coyvio has been addressed. Lefcentreright  Talk  (plz ping) 10:04, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - The article is particularly well written. Barca (talk) 13:49, 28 September 2019 (UTC)


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