Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chabad Chasidim


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Spartaz Humbug! 16:46, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Chabad Chasidim

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The format of pages under Category:Hasidic dynasties is to summarize the movement and its adherents on the main dynasty page. This page unnecessarily synthesizes content already existing on the Chabad dynasty page, as well as the Hasidic Judaism page. Yoninah (talk) 21:21, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. Yoninah (talk) 21:25, 21 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete as a fork of Chabad. Debresser (talk) 23:55, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator and per Debresser as this is clearly a violation of WP:CONTENTFORK. Besides, there is Category:Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidim that does this job well enough. IZAK (talk) 09:46, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep as the page fills a void the Chabad and other pages/categories have created.

The Chabad page presents an article on the Chabad movement, history, organizations, activities etc. But the article quickly becomes longer as new content can always be added. At a certain point it makes sense to add a page for specific Chabad-related subjects. Take the Chabad related controversies page for example. Here's a lot of content relating to Chabad which can easily be transferred to the main Chabad page as a new section. But when someone wants to check Wikipedia to define Chabad, they should not be flooded with all this detailed information about a group they've just heard about. This approach can simplify the main Chabad page and allow for other pages to tackle the specific subjects in more detail.

The same way Jews are a group of people, and Judaism is the religion, culture and customs of that people, so too Chabad Chasidim are a group of Jews who have formed a community around a philosophy, charismatic rebbes, particular organizations and institutions. They practice particular customs and rituals. The Chabad page currently has enough content to split into several pages that can adequately deal with the wealth of information about those particular subjects. I.am.a.qwerty (talk) 12:15, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

I.am.a.qwerty (talk) 14:34, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep as the category Chabad-Lubavitch rebbes does not include all Chabad rebbes
 * Comment: I.am.a.qwerty, what you are saying about Chabad Hasidim can be said about Satmar Hasidim, Gerrer Hasidim, Belzer Hasidim, Bobover Hasidim, Lelover Hasidim, etc., etc. All Hasidim "practice particular customs and rituals" related to their Hasidut. Are you suggesting we create pages about the Hasidim of each of the Hasiduts listed in List of Hasidic dynasties? I think not. Instead, the main dynasty page is the place to describes the "particular customs and rituals" of the Hasidut in question. For example, see Ger (Hasidic dynasty). If you don't see such a section like this on a dynasty page, by all means add it. But do not create a content fork like Chabad Chasidim, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. Yoninah (talk) 16:17, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: Yoninah, I've revied the fork page and checked out some of the other groups you've mentioned. It looks like this rule is pretty much valid all across the board and helps keep Wikipedia articles manageable. I guess I can move whatever information I've added on the Chabad Chasidim page onto the Chabad before deletion. As someone who has used Wikipedia in the past, I very much appreciate the work the experienced editors are doing. I can see why this is necessary, though I believe this page would have helped the average Wikipedia reader. — Preceding unsigned comment added by I.am.a.qwerty (talk • contribs) 07:05, 23 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete The underlying issue is not that this is a WP:CONTENTFORK, which could be acceptable in many cases; The problem is that this article is sort of a restatement of the underlying parent article Chabad that doesn't provide any clear justification for why it exists. Someone who ends up at the Chabad Chasidim article is left seeing Chabad-lite without seeing the whole picture provided by the original article. Alansohn (talk) 02:18, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That is what I meant as well when calling this article a fork. But Alansohn (whom I haven't seen in a while and am happy to see now) has put it more clearly. Debresser (talk) 08:42, 23 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, I moved the content on Chabad Chasidim demographics to main Chabad page. Let's get this discussion weapped up as I agree to the page's deletion. How does this normally work? Can we delete right now, or do we to need to wait a period of time before deletig? Once deleted, do I have manually remove all links to the page? Is there a quicker way?I.am.a.qwerty (talk) 12:26, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
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