Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chae Hyungwon


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The result was redirect to Monsta X. (non-admin closure) -  The   Magnificentist  09:08, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Chae Hyungwon

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Fails WP:GNG, not individually notable outside of his group. Snowflake91 (talk) 17:03, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect: Article should be redirected back to the group's main article until the individual has enough notablity for a sole article. Abdotorg (talk) 18:40, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  WC  Quidditch   &#9742;   &#9998;  17:25, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Korea-related deletion discussions.  WC  Quidditch   &#9742;   &#9998;  17:25, 25 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Redirect per Abdotorg, this guy has had nearly three thousand pageviews in the last week - that is, the entire time the article has existed. There is clearly some demand to know who he is, and he doesn't wholly lack notability - just enough to not warrant his own article, even as implied by nominator's rationale. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist  (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 11:05, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - No valid WP:DEL-REASON given. I will consider changing my position if someone comes up with something. We cater to all "groups" here on WP so notability within a "group" is sufficient so long as the WP:GOLDENRULE and other requirements are met and I believe they are here. ~Kvng (talk) 13:35, 28 June 2017 (UTC)


 * How is not valid? Look at WP:BAND, it clearly says "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases. Singers and musicians who are only notable for participating in a reality television series may be redirected to an article about the series, until they have demonstrated that they are independently notable."; this person has not done ANYTHING outside of his band, and is therefore not notable. Snowflake91  (talk) 13:51, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Most of our more specific notability guides respect WP:GNG and that's exactly what's happening in WP:BAND point #1. This is a restatement of WP:GNG. Based on significant coverage, these requirements are met and so WP:BAND is met. You seem to be saying that a notable person who is notable only for being a member of a band should not have a stand-alone article. Clearly Chae Hyungwon is no James Hetfield, Bono or Robert Smith (musician) but if there is adequate coverage, band members are independently notable even if they don't have solo careers or other notable activities. ~Kvng (talk) 22:08, 28 June 2017 (UTC)


 * He has no adequate coverage though, if you google his name, majority of articles are band-related, or there is pure trivial coverage like "MONSTA X's Hyungwon Revealed To Have Suffered Injury", "Monsta X Reveal Fun Facts About Themselves In The March Issue" etc., and 90% of the sources are from allkpop.com and soompi.com, which are fancruft sites and unreliable per WikiProject Korea/Reliable sources. Snowflake91  (talk) 22:33, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Now were getting somewhere. I'll have a closer look later. ~Kvng (talk) 23:41, 28 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Redirect per Abdotorg - as others have stated, trivial coverage in relation to the group and no notability outside of it.Evaders99 (talk) 02:21, 29 June 2017 (UTC)


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