Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chai Sirisute


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Liz Read! Talk! 04:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Chai Sirisute

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Doesn't meet GNG or WP:KICKGUIDE. Refs are a couple of small interviews and profile pages. Nswix (talk) 21:37, 5 August 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:10, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Martial arts,  and Thailand. Nswix (talk) 21:37, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: Here's a piece of in-depth coverage from Black Belt magazine, which suggests that he was indeed a significant figure in martial arts circles especially in the 1980s. There are probably more sources out there that require some digging. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:57, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, by "a couple of small interviews and profile pages," I assume Nswix is referring to the numbered website citations and not the book sources listed (without in-line citations) as general references at the end? While the third one is written by the subject and can't be considered for GNG, none of them have previews available on Google Books, so they'll need closer evaluation. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:43, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete I am not convinced of importance or significance of the subject which does not meet criteria WP:SPORTSPERSON and very hard to establish notability as per WP:GNG. Not known as a fighter himself, fails WP:NKICK. Lethweimaster (talk) 11:33, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. In addition to the Black Belt article identified above, has been featured in cover stories for several martial arts magazines in the 1980s, including Inside Kung Fu (August 1982), Inside Karate (May 1986), and another Black Belt issue (November 1986). While their content isn't available online, I am positive they constitute in-depth coverage that satisfies the GNG. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:51, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment I've got mixed emotions about this article. I can't find significant independent coverage, but agree that the articles found by Paul_012 may well be it (but I can't be sure).  The fact that he founded a growing international Muay Thai organization is good and he seems to be fairly notable as a MT teacher.  However, it's hard to quantify that notability (unlike winning championships).  I think I'd like to vote to keep the article since it's not an obvious deletion to me, but it's also not an obvious keep. Papaursa (talk) 16:06, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per above. Went down some weird rabbit holes for this including http://www.amnet.net.au/~burnie/muay.html. Also found a mention in https://asianjournalusa.com/the-surprising-history-of-muay-thai-in-the-united-states/. https://thaiboxing.com/about/muay-thai-history/ seems primary but is helpful as well. I think we have to trust what sources exist, particularly the old magazine articles from decades ago that Paul_012 found. - Indefensible (talk) 06:00, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Paul_012, Indefensible sources. --Lerdsuwa (talk) 02:17, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep A closer look at the variety of magazines found by Paul_012, the number of cover appearances, and the asianjournalusa article found by Indefensible have convinced me this article is worth keeping. Papaursa (talk) 00:43, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


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