Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chailie Ho


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The consensus appears to be that the lack of significant coverage at RS means that the article does not meet the criteria for inclusion at this time --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 08:27, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Chailie Ho

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Non-notable individual lacking GHits of substance and with zero GNEWs. Appears to fail WP:BIO.  ttonyb (talk) 14:59, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
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 * Comment Coverage in Chinese is also quite thin . There are thousands of reprints of a passing mention in a Xinhua article ; when you exclude those, all that remains is one article about her on a fashion news website  and a bunch of blogs. Of the awards she's received, Fashion World Talent Awards might be notable ; the other two do not appear to be. cab (talk) 07:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment – She did not win an award, she was only a finalist.  ttonyb  (talk) 14:34, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Although she was only a finalist in Fashion World Talent Awards, she has been in 4 out of 7 episodes of the whole TV programme that widely broadcast in one of the four main free TV channel in Hong Kong . This award is notable as already has 57,700 hits in google and it has been published across different media. She has been interviewed by papierdoll magazine and approved by the Hong Kong Design Centre  as a part of the Hong Kong Design Directory . The Hong Kong Government also granted her a government fund called Design Incubation Programme  where the priority are given to companies that are market leaders (actual or potential) engage in design activities in their field . She become one of the government funded incubatee  that shows she is well recognize. Coverage in English for Chailie Ho  is more than the fashion designer Betty Charnuis, who is already exist in wikipedia for more than a year, so Chailie Ho should not be delete.  okojoj (talk) 05:05, 13 July 2010 — Okojoj (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:08, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - Low overall importance perhaps, but reasonably notable within a single subject which cannot be sourced traditionally. The fact that she's mentioned on so many international fashion blogs is indicative of a heightened level of recognition in the field. The interview in Papierdoll is a good English source. Just needs expansion. SteveStrummer (talk) 02:22, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Second relist rationale. The article is a BLP. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:08, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per my comment above. The number, depth, and types of sources mentioned in this discussion do not convince me that she passes WP:BIO, and I haven't been able to find anything additional in English or Chinese. Furthermore, the Design Incubation Programme is not a selective award nor a recognition of past accomplishments --- it's just a way for people in certain industries to get government-subsidised office space in Kowloon Tong. cab (call) 00:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - Except the US fashion website Papierdoll, there are other links about her such as the BBC China, Chinese fashion website YOKA and FWTA official page. There are also links about her in other languages such as Danish  and Japanese . Her works have also been broadcasted in the FWTA TV programme where its coverage included Hong Kong, China and Asia Pacific countries. I can also find many people who is in fashion industry mentioned her in their blogs. Kleeer — Kleeer (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment – Most of the refs you refer to don't even mention this person and the ones that do are hardly more than a mention of the individual's name. None of this meets the criteria in WP:BIO using WP:RS.  ttonyb  (talk) 18:50, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment – Four out of five links I provide not only mention about this person's name (in Chinese or English), also the show/work she did, where fashion website YOKA is the one just featured her works . The links are news website or official website, they are more focus on the shows she did instead of only talk about her individual personality or works. Her name not need to mentioned many times in the same article or web, but it already shows coverage of her in different sources. Also you can find a depth interview of her in Papierdoll magazine . Kleeer (talk)


 * Comment – There is a total sum of HK$260,000(US$34,000) funding offer to each incubatee in the Design Incubation Program, while it is only offer to 30 funding receivers in the Hong Kong design industry now, and only THREE of the funding receivers are in fashion design. This is obvious that the offers are very selective and the receivers must have outstanding reputations in their own field to receive the fund. I agree with SteveStrummer that she need further expansion, but I think she is well-recogonised in the field and definitely worth to keep. Kleeer (talk) — Kleeer (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment – If one looks at the application for acceptance to the program there is nothing in it that says anything about meeting criteria that meets the criteria in WP:BIO. Even the section (section 1.03 of the application) that talks about being a "leader" in there field says that they can be a potential leader.  I read potential as not meeting WP:BIO. ttonyb  (talk) 18:50, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per the lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. I have reviewed cab's comments above and concur with cab that Chailie Ho is not notable. 's argument that the subject is notable because she is mentioned in many blogs, which is tantamount to arguing about the number of WP:GOOGLEHITS, is not compatible with the guideline Notability (people) and the policy Biographies of living persons. Cunard (talk) 01:13, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Comment – No matter people regard her as a "leader" or "potential leader" in the field, it is a recogonition of her from the Hong Kong government. Yet not all fashion designers in wikipedia have been defined as "market leaders" where many of them are upcoming designers. It is not only about how the wording decribe the fund receivers in the application of the program, it is the fact that for a government to fund such amount of tax payer's money to support someone, they must be representable in the industry.(Compare with one of the biggest fashion sponsorship NEWGEN in London Fashion Week, the amount of fund that the Design Incubation Program provided is double.) That explain why only little number of people in the design industry being offer this fund. Kleeer (talk) — Kleeer (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment – Being a potential leader in one's field is not in the criteria for notability. Neither is being recognized as being a potential leader by one's government.  Unfortunately, "real-world" notability differs from Wikipedia notability. As far as other fashion designers in Wikipedia please see WP:WAX.  ttonyb  (talk) 02:03, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Fashion designers are not typically covered by secondary sources: see WP:CREATIVE. The first given guideline for notability in fields such as this is "The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors", and she plainly has enough attention from fashion circles. SteveStrummer (talk) 01:56, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
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