Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chak No. 4 JB Ram Dewali


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The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 02:16, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Chak No. 4 JB Ram Dewali

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This article is the subject of a removed speedy deletion notice. It most certainly exists. The question is whether it has any notability apart from a resident who was, for a time, the world's probable youngest Microsoft Certified Professional in some field or other. To me that gives the person borderline notability, not their place of residence. I can find very few references to it online. Offline sources I do not have access to. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 16:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete ; well, Faisalabad is a metropolis, so there's a reasonable presumption that it has some notable subcity components. But the article makes no claim of notability, and there's not any real information in the article; what's the population, area, important features? The name just doesn't sound notable (notable subsections of a city are rarely numbered), but I wavered between adding without prejudice against recreation or not anyway. There's nothing here worth saving, in any case.--Prosfilaes (talk) 17:19, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Chak is apparently a nomenclature (accompanied by a number) applied to small villages in Pakistan stemming from the time of British rule in the area. Ram Diwali is the name of a village just north (not west) of Faisalabad.  One can assume that Chak 4 and Ram Diwali are different names for the same place.  Whether the place is notable or not is another question.  However, it has generally been Wikipedia consensus that ALL named places are notable.  This article may not be the best representation of the place, but I think it should be improved rather than tossed.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't cite sources off the top of my head, but it's not true that ALL named places are notable. Parks, for one example, aren't. Named buildings aren't. Anything denoted in the census as a city is, but parts of a city rarely get judged worthy of their own article, unless they're really notable parts of a large city. Frankly, as long as we must "assume that Chak 4 and Ram Diwali are different names for the same place", I seriously question whether the article's any good to anyone.--Prosfilaes (talk) 18:40, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps what WikiDan61 meant to say is that there's been quite a bit of consensus that named inhabited places are notable.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  23:05, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Still, no. If I make an article for Pawtucketville, the northwest part of Lowell, Massachusetts, I don't feel at all confident that it will stand.--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:19, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Rename to Ram Diwali and make Chak 4 a redirect. per research by WikiDan61 - Mgm|(talk) 09:08, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * But reading Chak (village) leads me to conclude that there are dozens of Chak 4s in Pakistan, one for every city. It simply means village 4.--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:03, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  23:04, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep It does seem to be a real place. The question seems to be what the correct name of the article is. Perhaps someone from WikiProject Pakistan could weigh in and help with that? I've left a message there asking for education.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  23:12, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


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