Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chakradhar Swami


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The result was keep. JohnCD (talk) 16:07, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Chakradhar Swami

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First of all, this article is not very easy to understand and searches to the best of my ability found nothing good. It appears both Marathi and Polish Wikis have what appear to be references but I'm not a speaker of either language so I'm not sure how good those sources are or if they're relevant at all. My concerns are the understandability and no apparent sources to support this, at least at English Wikipedia. SwisterTwister  talk  06:08, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 00:15, 18 May 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Keep I have identified additional sources on this personage. I also have a sense there are even more sources in Maratha and maybe Hindi, but have no knowledge of either language. A google search showed echos of such sources. We need much more work, especially on the movment that he is said to have founded. This movement still exists today, or at least existed past the founding of the current government in India in the 1940s. The article being hard to understand is not reason for deletion, but inprovement.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:43, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 01:56, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per - unfortunately there is no Google translate for Maratha, but searching for his name brings up books and other hits.  —Мандичка YO 😜 02:15, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Polish sources appear reliable (academic works, etc.). If he is mentioned in them, he is likely notable. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:16, 2 June 2015 (UTC)


 *  Weak Delete  Shad Innet (talk) 08:41, 4 June 2015 (UTC) There are only Polish links, and all of them to the books, which are hard to find and check. There is no English sources, strangely.
 * Comment – Per WP:GNG and WP:NOENG, sources do not have to be in English to establish notability or to verify content in articles. North America1000 12:23, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, I agree Shad Innet (talk) 10:59, 9 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep but needs careful rewriting. This looks like the case of someone who is obviously notable by any reasonable reckoning, but where it may be very difficult to disentangle legend from history. He seems to be generally recognised as the effective founder of the Mahanubhava sect, with one of its sacred texts, Leela Charitra (or, apparently more usually these days, Lilacharitra), being largely a purported account of his life and thought - and one of the founding classics of Marathi literature. One problem that this gives is that most accounts of Chakradhar are either in relation to Lilacharitra as literature or to Mahanubhav thought (which seems to have been in many ways revolutionary, promoting both caste and gender equality) and, where they give accounts of his life, may not be fully separating out historical and legendary elements (this, for instance). By the way, "Swami" is an honorific and not always used - it may be easier to find sources without it. PWilkinson (talk) 21:46, 7 June 2015 (UTC)


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