Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chamaki


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was withdrawn by nominator. ✗ plicit  06:29, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Chamaki

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Fails WP:GEOLAND:

Its population has been reported exactly zero in the 2016 census. Ctrl+F "040333" here.

See Special:Permalink/1016886834 for more information. 4nn1l2 (talk) 16:38, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. 4nn1l2 (talk) 16:38, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. 4nn1l2 (talk) 16:38, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - Again, Chamaki probably does exist (otherwise an IP editor wouldn't have added the detail about the church and the place being inhabited by Assyrians) but no reliable sources show it to be a legally-recognised populated place. FOARP (talk) 18:36, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Uncle G (talk) 22:33, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Uncle G (talk) 22:51, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The church is a reality. There were and are Christians in Iran. Nevertheless, this ābādī has been completely abandoned. Again the ābādī may be notable only because of its church, so maybe moving the page and making the article about a church is a better approach than deleting it. 4nn1l2 (talk) 23:31, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that if we can, we should. English language sources are suggestive.  Perhaps there are even better ones in Persian.  Uncle G (talk) 09:13, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  01:30, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Being abandoned acutally makes a case for meeting WP:GEOLAND: Even abandoned places can be notable, because notability encompasses their entire history. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 10:33, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, it can be notable, but one needs to prove it. Can denotes possibility here, as far as I understand. 4nn1l2 (talk) 22:12, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * There's a church, some freak occurrences aside that means it's near certain the place was inhabited at some point. It's very unfortunate the IP didn't add a source. I tried searching, but the language barrier prevents me from finding anything. Is there any older census publicly available? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 00:45, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * As I told you before, I love your resilience :-) Everyone is so done with Iranian abadis (me in two projects, fawiki discussions really got on my nerves), but you still continue! Anyway, yes, this abadi can be saved, as 33 people in 7 families lived there, according to the 1986 census. See page 51, line No. 33 (25th line if you count from above). Unfortunately all data are in Eastern Arabic numerals, so you may have difficulty reading them. Here is the same file from an official website (not Commons). 4nn1l2 (talk) 01:12, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Great, I added it to the article. Also noted that the 600 Assyrian are also mentioned by the Tehran Times article Uncle G linked above, but I fear this might be WP:CITOGENESIS. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 23:04, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Tehran Times cannot be trusted with such statistics. 4nn1l2 (talk) 03:30, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Withdraw as the article has been expanded and some sources have been added. 4nn1l2 (talk) 03:30, 19 April 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.