Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chamba Chukh


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. The article has improved since the AfD began. However, the nominator recommends the article creator go through the Articles for Creation process to avoid similar problems in the future. (non-admin closure) Gestrid (talk) 19:24, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Chamba Chukh

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This article does not meet the general notability guidelines. Gestrid (talk) 16:41, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:NOTRECIPE. No refs, no notability what Wikipedia is not  Velella  Velella Talk 16:46, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: The article at the time of the above delete !vote looked like and gave no instructions on how to prepare Chamba Chukh; the WP:NOTRECIPE argument is invalid. Sam Sailor Talk! 11:38, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: The author of the article has left a message about this discussion on my talk page, and they've included some possible sources. Blogs, of course, wouldn't be reliable sources, but at least one of them might be reliable. -- Gestrid (talk) 17:05, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:20, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:20, 29 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. Sources look OK. Notability ditto. No more to consider. Twelve Bar Milkman (talk) 23:22, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article looks fine in its present form. - Takeaway (talk) 13:44, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi everyone,

Pasting some of the notes sent to Gestrid here for help explaining and improving the page: Some references and links for consideration:

Government of India's DRDA's (District Rural Development Agency) Chamba pages list of trained makers and self help groups: http://drdachamba.org/Schemes/SHGs/SHGInvt/Chamba/Inventory/main1.htm

Newspapers, publications and blogs for reference: http://www.thehimachal.com/himachal/chamba-chukh-pickle-88888/ http://www.divyahimachal.com/2013/11/himachals-delicacies-need-promotion/ http://www.annapurnaz.in/a-fiery-tangy-gift-from-chamba-chukh-hot-red-chili-chutney/ https://mygourmetsaga.wordpress.com/2015/11/07/chukh-kick-ass-mushy-pickle-exclusive-of-chamba-valley/

Company pages selling & marketing Chukh:

http://www.amazon.in/Himachilli-Chukh-Chilli-Gulgul-Citrus/dp/B016M9GSC6 http://himalayanpeople.com/collections/himachillichukh http://www.placeoforigin.in/spicy-garlic-chilli-himachilli-chukh-garlic-online https://soulbowl.in/shop/sauces-jams-pickles/vales-ginger-garlic-chukh-450gm.html

NOTE: The state government is in the process of updating its online resources to give greater mention and space to Chamba Chukh. This is anticipated soon.

Regards Anujkaps (talk) 17:30, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Dear all,

I am a friend of AnujKaps. He pointed me to this page and chat. I have located a Wikipedia page that also references Chukh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_cuisine#Himachal_Pradesh). So I thought to provide it for your consideration for inclusion as a reference to this chat.

Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeetikaPandya (talk • contribs) 18:35, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - Note to closer - It appears that there has been canvassing on this deletion discussion. Please use judgment in discounting recruited opinions.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:40, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Dear Robert, Thanks for your note re: canvassing. I am aware of that clause and have been extremely careful not to canvass.

The page being discussed for deletion  is something also being discussed quite widely in our community in Himachal offline. I have in fact contacted my friends who are also from the region to NOT EDIT the page and also to NOT get onto the discussion board. However if they do, they should EXPRESSLY SPECIFY that they know me and should state that upfront in the interest of complete transparency.

I will ask them to refrain from entering the conversation entirely, if that is more desirable. I can put forth their arguments through my own Username, if that is preferable. I am trying specifically to learn the etiquette of the wiki community to avoid such mis-understanding, before doing too much.

Thanks everyone for understanding. Anujkaps (talk) 07:51, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, your friend was upfront about how they've come to this discussion so there's absolutely no question of bad faith. Uanfala (talk) 15:25, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

An article on a prominent Indian Travel sight that that has reference to CHAMBA CHUKH for your reference: http://www.discoveredindia.com/himachal-pradesh/cities-and-destinations-in-himachal-pradesh/chamba.htm

Anujkaps (talk) 07:54, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

PLEASE ADVISE IF I SHOULD ADD SOME OF THESE REFERENCES TO THE ACTUAL PAGE ALREADY OR SHOULD I KEEP POSTING HERE ON THIS TALK PAGE CREATED FOR THE DELETION?

THANKS

Anujkaps (talk) 07:56, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * , articles are always allowed to be updated, especially when they might be deleted. If enough reliable sources are added throughout the article, it's possible it might not be deleted.  You've still got a few more days before this discussion is closed. -- Gestrid (talk) 14:28, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Uanfala and Gestrid,

I have cited a few references on the page now. Also, I have found references to Chamba Chukh on existing Wikipedia Pages which have also now been linked back to this page . Will continue digging and improving the page.

Thanks Anujkaps (talk) 23:08, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok. Just remember that Wikipedia itself is not a reliable source, which means Wikipedia articles can't cite other Wikipedia articles.  See WP:RS for what can and can't be a reliable source. -- Gestrid (talk) 23:14, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks understood.

Also, I have linked back to this page from the Himachal Pradesh (State in India where Chukh comes from) Wikipedia page where a reference to it already existed.

Anujkaps (talk) 11:28, 31 July 2016 (UTC)


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