Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chamber of Furniture Industries of the Philippines (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Chamber of Furniture Industries of the Philippines
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Delete. Non-notable organisation. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 04:30, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
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 * Delete but I'll resist the urge to make fun. EEng (talk) 21:41, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Why do you feel the urge to make fun of the trade association of a major industry in the world's 12th most populous country? Is the very idea that an encyclopedia should have an article about such an association in a country largely inhabited by not-quite-white people self-evidently funny? You seem to have a very strange sense of humour. Phil Bridger (talk) 23:50, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't have the urge to make fun of the trade association of [etc etc -- what you said]. I had the urge to make fun of an organization with an amusingly unlikely-sounding name -- I had a similar urge when I encountered the "National Crushed Stone Association." (See their "50 Fascinating Facts about Stone, Sand and Gravel" ; highlight: "1987 - National Sand and Gravel Association becomes the National Aggregates Association.") Why do you feel the need to make a fuss? EEng (talk) 17:45, 27 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep when the US Dept of Ag. states that "is the premier furniture show in the country", that makes a significant claim of notability in my book. Whose Your Guy (talk) 20:18, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Plenty more significant coverage is found by the searches linked in the nomination, such as, and  and many others. Phil Bridger (talk) 23:50, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: Notable. Plenty of coverage. - Ret.Prof (talk) 14:29, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:COMPANY: The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered. If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources should be cited to establish notability. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject is not sufficient to establish notability. Deep coverage provides an organization with a level of attention that extends well beyond routine announcements and makes it possible to write more than a very brief, incomplete stub about an organization. What exactly will be drawn, from the sources cited, to make this more than a stub, ever? EEng (talk) 17:45, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I linked above to three sources with substantial depth of coverage - two lenthy newspaper articles and a 5-page academic paper all about this very topic. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:03, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I invite anyone reading this to actually examine the sources linked. The academic paper reviews the negotiations between the Chamber and a conservation organization over forest stewardship.  One of the newspaper articles is a puff piece on "green" furniture covering the negotiated agreement in 4 of its 20 paragraphs.  The other newspaper article is about the Philippine furniture industry and, yes, quotes a Chamber official at length.  Except for (possibly) the academic paper, none of these articles is even primarily about the Chamber.  It's just who you would talk to if you want to talk about Phillipine furniture manufactures. Aside from mentioning the # of members it has and so on, none of these articles even tells you much about the Chamber, its structure, or what it does, except that it sponsors a trade show.  I ask again: what material would be used to get beyond a stub?  EEng (talk) 19:45, 27 December 2010 (UTC)


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