Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chan Santa Cruz


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  Wifione  Message 13:10, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Chan Santa Cruz

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I believe the article has become a WP:CONTENTFORK for Maya civilization and Maya religion. If sources can be found regarding the town itself under the previous name, the text could be included under the town's current name, Felipe Carrillo Puerto. 1292simon (talk) 23:06, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS PEANUTBUTTER &#9734;&#9733; 19:15, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS PEANUTBUTTER &#9734;&#9733; 19:15, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. Although the article's lead is slightly confusing at first reading, its subject is fairly clearly the indigenous Maya state established (and then effectively destroyed) during the Caste War of Yucatan in the second half of the 19th century. It is thus completely outside the purview of the article on Maya civilization, which deliberately stops with the conquest of the last pre-colonial Maya state around 1700, and the Cruzob faith associated with it, while undoubtedly a variant of Maya religion, was (and I gather still is) distinctive enough to warrant treatment in its own right (though the Religion section of the article may need editing to ensure that it is doing this - and, conversely, the Maya religion article need editing to ensure that it is not conflating accounts of religious practices and beliefs from very different times and areas into a single homogenous account). Otherwise, however, there is therefore no reason to regard the article as a content fork. The article is also generally well-sourced, though the style of the bibliography and inline citations should certainly be improved to current Wikipedia standards. PWilkinson (talk) 15:40, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Theopolisme ( talk )  22:43, 7 January 2013 (UTC)


 * PWilkinson, then it seems that the article could be better named. Can you suggest a new title please? 1292simon (talk) 07:43, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I can't currently think of anything that feels like a better name for the article - I have, however, tried rewriting the article's lead to make it clearer, and made some other alterations to the article (in particular, removing most of the places where the state is referred to as the State of the Cross - while the designation would be reasonable enough, I could only find one source, apart from mirrors of the article, that even mentions it). While the article needs quite a lot of rewriting - it seems to have been largely the creation of one IP editor with a definite view of the subject - I am unfortunately unlikely to have time to do this within the period for this discussion. But there are some immediately relevant reliable sources (for instance, Villa Rojas, Reed, Bricker and Sullivan) already used in the article (and others need to be checked not so much for reliability as for their relevance to the Chan Santa Cruz area and period rather than other times or parts of the Yucatan peninsula) and a GBooks search seems to produce quite a few more that haven't been used (and a GNews search some interesting effectively primary contemporary sources). PWilkinson (talk) 12:48, 12 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cheers, Ri l ey    00:03, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Is anyone still nominating this page for deletion, after the original nominator seems to be pondering renaming it instead? (I am just trying to move things along...) הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) (formerly R——bo) 01:23, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
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