Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chandrin Fernando


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The result was delete. No convincing, policy based arguments for keeping the article have been put forward, aside from "there are sources", which have been refuted by all participants proposing deletion. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  16:44, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Chandrin Fernando

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Fails to satisfy the criteria of WP:NBUSINESSPEOPLE, in that he is the CEO of a non-notable company. There is no indication that in any of his positions he has made any notable accomplishments. The article's creator has stated "He is a notable figure in the finance community." however there is no evidence to that effect apart from his role on the CIMA (Sri Lanka) board, a position he shared with 20 other board members. Dan arndt (talk) 13:53, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sri Lanka-related deletion discussions. Dan arndt (talk) 14:02, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Dan arndt (talk) 14:02, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep: As per Dan if the WP:NBUSINESSPEOPLE rule is used, then no article on any executive in Sri Lanka can be considered notable enough as no Sri Lanka company meets its requirement. Multiple published mainstream media (reliable sources) have been provided for all content written. Furthermore given the fact that Dan does not reside in Sri Lanka, he may not have a complete understanding of the ground situation. NaminiGunasena (talk) 18:21, 26 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment : Just because I don't currently reside in Sri Lanka doesn't mean that I don't have a fairly good understanding of the country, it's politics or it's economics. In fact it probably gives me a more objective view than Namini of topics such as this. In this case the references [2] and [3] are merely mentions in passing. Reference [3] is something I commonly see with executive appointments in any business news and as previously indicated the company in question is non-notable. The requirements of NBUSINESSPEOPLE are there to ensure that WP is not clogged up with stub articles on every businessman that exists. Essentially there is nothing that indicates that this individual is any more notable than any other business executive. Dan arndt (talk) 00:05, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reply : Hi Dan, pls don't get defensive on the subject of your residence. My intention was to indicate that an external observer (as objective as he may be) may not understand the ground situation in its true nature. In a Sri Lankan context NBUSINESSPEOPLE does not seem to work as no company in SL will meet its criteria. On the contrary only notable/reputed firms are allowed to function as finance companies in SL by the Central Bank to ensure security of public money invested in it and PLC's are considered notable as these are listed in the Colombo stock exchange. A google search may not always give all the relevant information. If we rigidly stick to rules like NBUSINESSPEOPLE we won't seem to have any articles from different areas in a country like Sri Lanka. NaminiGunasena (talk) 04:28, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reply : I disagree with your view that NBUSINESSPEOPLE does not apply in Sri Lanka, as you would use the local equivalent of the FTSE 100 Index, which in this case would be the S&P Sri Lanka 20 Index, in that a chief executive of an S&P Sri Lanka 20 firm would be considered potentially notable but you wouldn't equate a chief executive of every publicly listed company has having the same level of notability. Which comes back to my original argument that the individual is not notable because he is only a senior executive in a non-notable company, and there is no evidence that he has done anything notable in his role as a senior executive at that company. Dan arndt (talk) 11:51, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reply : Hi Dan, are you now creating wiki rules stating that since no SL companies are listed under NBUSINESSPEOPLE, you have determined that S&P Sri Lanka 20 Index would do? I beg to defer as this does not include many of the public and private companies that have a long reputation in SL. I don't see why you should function as an authority on selecting who and who or which companies are notable, given the fact that you don't reside in SL nor have a understanding of the ground situation. If you had such an understanding then you would know that in Sri Lanka a company which is a Central Bank Licensed Finance Company commands a high degree of public recognition and only reputed persons are allowed to be appointed by the Central Bank. NaminiGunasena (talk) 12:11, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reply : I think that you're misinterpreting my comments. NBUSINESSPEOPLE clearly implies that a chief executive officer of a FTSE 100 index company is notable, so I was equating the local equivalent in Sri Lanka would be an S&P SL 20 index company. Therefore a chief executive of a non-notable company does not grant that individual automatic notability. What the article lacks is evidence that he has achieved anything notable apart from being a senior executive. Dan arndt (talk) 12:35, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reply : How do you say that S&P SL 20 index is the Sri Lankan equivalent for FTSE 100 index ? why not the All Share Price Index ? why are you discriminating Sri Lankans ? NaminiGunasena (talk) 18:13, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reply : Namini, why do you feel I am discriminating against Sri Lankans? The S&P SL 20 and the FTSE 100 are both based on the performance of the leading publicly traded companies listed in their respective stock exchanges, whilst the ASPI simply measures the movement of share prices of all listed companies. The S&P SL 20 and the ASPI are two completely different measures. Dan arndt (talk) 01:04, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reply : I feel you are discriminating Sri Lanka by using technicalities to justify the removal of any content you disagree with or in your PoV does not deem notable. In this regard you compare the S&P SL 20 equivalent to the FTSE 100, by which you limit the number of SL companies to 20. You ignore the fact that this company is listed in two lists that are high regarded in SL ASPI and CBSL Licensed Finance Company list. This is your personal PoV and I feel that its discrimination as it reduces the number of bios of executives from SL. NaminiGunasena (talk) 04:27, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reply : You are correct in that whether S&P SL 20 should be included in WP:NBUSINESSPEOPLE is my own personal view, as a strict interpretation would mean only senior executives from FTSE100 or FORTUNE 500 companies would be kept as notable. My argument is that in countries outside of the US and UK such as Sri Lanka we should apply a similar principle and argue that the equivalent measure, which in this case is the S&P SL 20 should apply. So if anything I am advocating in favour of Sri Lankan companies not discriminating against them. Dan arndt (talk) 04:56, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reply : By limiting the scope to only twenty companies you are discriminating SL companies by limiting their presence in wikipedia, based on your PoV. Even though in Sri Lanka these have significant notability. I see this as clear discrimination. NaminiGunasena (talk) 08:45, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reply : I guess we have to agree to disagree - however I still don't see this as discriminating as I am actually advocating for Sri Lankan companies just not to the same degree that you are. It should be noted that I am not arguing that only companies listed in the S&P SL 20 are notable only that senior executives in S&P SL 20 companies should have a degree of automatic notability.Dan arndt (talk) 09:18, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reply : OK, Dan I am now hearing a whole new stance from you. Or did I understand what you said before incorrectly. Irrespective I feel that you are discriminating against Sri Lanka, pushing your PoV. NaminiGunasena (talk) 11:17, 28 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete does not meet our notability requirements for business people, the passing references do not amount to passing GNG.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:37, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reply : Following reliable sources indicate more than passing GNG.:, , . NaminiGunasena (talk) 18:13, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment : Reference [2] is a 'run of the mill' PR release published by FT, something you commonly see with executive appointments in any business news. Reference [3] is merely a mention in passing. Once again this is a non-notable executive in a non-notable company. Dan arndt (talk) 01:08, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment : You seem to ignore Reference [1]. NaminiGunasena (talk) 04:27, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reply : Reference [1] is the only source that supports the argument however WP:GNG requires that a subject has received significant coverage in  multiple reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Reference [1] whilst providing biographical material doesn't give any indication that he is notable as the position of Vice Chairman of the (MESANA) Regional Board of CIMA is not in its own right a notable position. Dan arndt (talk) 04:56, 28 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Reply : All these points are your PoV. NaminiGunasena (talk) 08:45, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reply : Just like your comments are your POV. Dan arndt (talk) 09:18, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reply : I don't push it like you do. NaminiGunasena (talk) 11:17, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep : multiple RS have been provided. Cossde (talk) 13:50, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment----Please stop casting aspersions and above all, be concise and to the point. Winged Blades of Godric On leave 12:10, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  A  Train talk 06:49, 4 October 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per nom fails WP:NBUSINESSPEOPLE and WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:58, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:04, 12 October 2017 (UTC)


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