Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chang (surname)

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The result of the debate was no consensus to delete -- Francs2000 | Talk 11:26, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Chang (surname)
Not encyclopedic! Why not have every single surname of every single ethnic group in the world? Frühstücksdienst 05:34, 25 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Merge into List of Chinese Surnames - Che Nuevara, the Democratic Revolutionary 06:12, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * If there are more than two people named Chang with Wikipedia biographies, keep and convert into a disambig page for them. Otherwise, delete. --Angr/undefined 06:25, 25 July 2005 (UTC) There are already several Changs at Zhang (surname), so I'm changing my vote to redirect to Zhang (surname). --Angr/undefined 12:37, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * As I'm sure ther are more than two, disambigu-fy per Angr. (Also, delete all lists of surnames! That's what Wiktionary is for.) --Dmcdevit·t 08:29, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Zhang (surname) (no mergeable content). Add as many disambiguation links as you want to Chang (I think creating sub-disambiguation pages is silly).  Surnames are encyclopedic in their own right, if there is something to say about them beyond etymology and frequency (as there certainly is in the case of common East Asian names such as this one).  We've had this discussion before.-- Visviva 08:55, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep unless there is evidence that all the Changs are having their surnames pronounced as Zhang according to the languages they speak. As far as I know some Korean people named Chang are having their surname pronounced as Jang in the Korean language. &mdash; Instantnood 12:19, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Zhang (surname), nothing to merge. JamesBurns 07:54, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. 常 is a Chinese surname spelled Chang in pinyin and Ch'ang in Wades-Giles. Redirecting to Zhang would be inaccurate. Chang and Zhang are not always the same. --Yuje 21:34, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: You reminded me about 常. I have modified the article accordingly. :-) &mdash; Instantnood 21:37, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Zhang (surname), provide disambuguation as nessecary. -Loren 00:27, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, but send references to 張 to Zhang (surname). -Loren 23:29, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * As Yuje has suggested, Chang and Zhang are not the same all the time. I'd like to request everyone to reconsider . &mdash; Instantnood 21:40, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Further request: On top of the previous request, I'd like to request administrators to extend this VFD, given that people voted previously are unaware of the new argument presented. &mdash; Instantnood 18:44, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Anyone voting to redirect is rather monolingually rude.  Redirecting a chinese surname to a different one is as rather appropriate as redirecting Smith to Jones. SchmuckyTheCat 06:14, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, keep and sort out (although redirecting would have been OK, since it can easily be undone). I didn't really want to get into this here, but the situation is even more complicated.  There are also 4 Korean surnames spelled "Chang"/"Jang," of which only the most common is the one covered in Zhang (surname)... two more Korean surnames are spelled "Chang/Ch'ang."    See List of Korean family names.  I'm not volunteering for this detail, but clearly there is plenty of sorting out to be done here.  -- Visviva 12:40, 2 August 2005 (UTC)


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