Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chaos Machine (toy)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. ✗ plicit  13:11, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Chaos Machine (toy)

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Over-reliance on primary sources, lacks reliable secondary sources, and promotional tone. I would have proposed a merge into Steve Jackson (American game designer), except I cannot find any reliable sources to support any of the text being kept. — Gmarmstrong (talk) 01:44, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Products-related deletion discussions. — Gmarmstrong (talk) 01:44, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Toys-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:29, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting, already PROD'd, not eligible for Soft Deletion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:12, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Seems like it's a very minor if somewhat cool thing in some American game(?) fandom. I am not seeing any serious, reliable sources meeting WP:SIGCOV. Ping User:BOZ just in case. Ps. While the article is very low quality now, this EL, with "featured on the "Today Show" and "Good Morning America"... Featured by more than 15 museums and 200 schools across the counry", although cringe-worthy in its unabashed old style advertising lingo, suggests there is a shred of hope if someone can track the sources (although the lingo and the webpage look so bad I am mildly wondering if this is not a hoax page?).. See also the awards. On the other hand, the connection between the article which is about a toy collection of Steve Jackson and this company's website is rather unclear, except the picture/diagram of both suggests some common features. Anyway, right now it's a big pile of OR with next to no apparent GNG. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 14:11, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: see this update at by User:Mkudra on their talk page. Mkdura originally reverted my WP:PROD, hence this AFD discussion, but it seems they have changed their mind and they now approve of the proposal to delete the page. I am not sure what our standard protocol is in this case. If the PROD were to be replaced, it would still need to stand for another 7 days before being confirmed. — Gmarmstrong (talk) 14:16, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Too late, technically we have to go through this AfD now, unless folks vote speedy delete. But I don't think this is a case of speedy, no hurry, let's discuss this over the next week+. Maybe someone can dig something up. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 14:18, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed, happy to wait. It could be a neat article if someone could find a way to substantiate it (or maybe even a Chaos Toy page, which probably should have existed before Chaos Machine (toy) anyways). — Gmarmstrong (talk) 14:27, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete per nom - It is mentioned very briefly at the article for Steve Jackson (American game designer), so I was considering possibly recommending a Redirect. However, there is almost no context or explanation of the topic at that article, and as mentioned by the nomination, the lack of reliable sources on the topic means that there is no real way to expand it at all. Rorshacma (talk) 15:55, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


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