Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chapel of Sacred Mirrors


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. This closure should not be seen an indication that this article doesn't need further improvement. It does. Liz Read! Talk! 22:48, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Chapel of Sacred Mirrors

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Many of the edits on this article come from people with close connections to its subject, including its proprietor himself, and at least one person whose flattering work is cited therein. At least half of the references are to primary sources, including to the entity's official website and to works written by its proprietor (who, again, has made several edits to the article). The citations are also complete messes in general; the ones which are linked are dead, the ones which are not linked are almost all either missing the full name of the author or the name of the work. As another editor noted in a hatnote, the article also reads like a press release. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 23:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Visual arts, Museums and libraries, Religion,  and New York. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 23:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep - regardless of COI issues, the topic is notable. AfD is not for cleanup. Skyerise (talk) 23:10, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep, notable topic meets GNG per sourcing, and this is the main exhibition of a noted artist. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:58, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment - nominator seems to have neglected WP:BEFORE. I've found 6 potential sources, including major coverage in The New York Times and Rolling Stone in May and June of 2023:
 * A portion is a copyvio so that will need to go. I think there's enough sourcing from which to build an article that isn't promotional spam. Star   Mississippi  03:20, 4 January 2024 (UTC) Realizing I didn't explicitly say it, so making life easier for closer. While the article needs some work, there's enough sourcing that it should be kept.  Star   Mississippi  14:33, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I've done some editing on the page to address some of the promotional concerns,, although haven't edited in as yet any data from the new sources provided by Skyerise., could you highlight the exact copyright violation language so that it can be edited or reworded and credited to the book, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:27, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Randy Kryn. It's the para starting with "Along with the Sacred Mirrors series, the original chapel also displayed a number" earlier ones are a close paraphrase, but that one is copied directly. Star   Mississippi  14:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks . The whole long paragraph or part (the paragraph also includes album cover artwork, etc.)? Apologizes, the source won't let me read the book pages. I've done some editing to the paragraph, can you check to see if it improved the copyright concern, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I think it's good now as you've edited it. Thanks for handling @Randy Kryn Star   Mississippi  15:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and again thanks for pointing out the copyright violation. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:26, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * With the new sources found by Skyerise this seems a slam dunk, so much so that thanks have to go to Dennis C. Abrams for nominating the page and drawing attention to the Greys (Alex Grey's article and this one both need work and will be nice to read as features someday). Much like Robert Anton Wilson will eventually be known as one of the 20th century's great writers, Alex Grey will eventually be known as one of the 20th century's great artists, and Allyson Grey's reputation should grow further. It's good to see the 2023 articles (and other 21st century sources) are finally catching up with the Grey's work and its place in art and culture. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:40, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per the New York Times sources. Toughpigs (talk) 05:04, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Comments. While there are two reliable sources, this technically fails my standards for historic churches. Articles about the artists whose work are featured in a holy site do not automatically convey notability on the site. So I am torn on this one. Bearian (talk) 15:16, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The Chapel is also the gallery for the artwork series Sacred Mirrors which redirects to this page, and it is named after the series. The chapel and series likely meet many of the criteria listed within the two essays you linked. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:41, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Comments. While there are two reliable sources, this technically fails my standards for historic churches. Articles about the artists whose work are featured in a holy site do not automatically convey notability on the site. So I am torn on this one. Bearian (talk) 15:16, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The Chapel is also the gallery for the artwork series Sacred Mirrors which redirects to this page, and it is named after the series. The chapel and series likely meet many of the criteria listed within the two essays you linked. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:41, 10 January 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.