Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chappargram


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Black Kite (t) (c) 00:51, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Chappargram

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Repeatedly recreated article at and with repeatedly recreated articles on some of the listed families, by a sockpuppet-using block-evading user. This is a village so nto technically eligible for A7 but there are only 43 Google hits for this place and Google Maps knoweth it not. I don't know if it's a hoax, a local name for somewhere usually known as something else, or just seriously obscure, and the sources in the article don't help. Because there aren't any. See also Kandar Chappargram, whose existence I can't verify. Guy (Help!) 14:27, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:28, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. It took some searching, but there is a more detailed map created in 2005 for relief organizations . Chhapargram (with double 'h') can be found at the bottom (below 34.7 N and between 73.0 an 73.1 E). Googeling on the double-h spelling does show some references, but nothing substantial. Article appears very much 'original research' based. Kandar appears to be a sub-town of Chhapargram, according to the wiki-entry. Zero hits in combination with the double-h spelling. Both towns/villages appear to be located in the Ajmera county  which does have a geo-location mentioned. Main Google hit can be found on, which appears to have some similar sounding text as the Battagram article. This wiki article appears to be the base article for the fragmented stubs floating around (the 'see also' list on that page seems to be a main level list linking to several of the pages having been up for speedy deletion). Several articles have been replaced by a redirection to the Battagram article . Overall a set of fragmented stubs without much potential, IMHO, to expand to separate articles. Most of the information could be included in the Battagram main article, instead of separate pages, assuming that it is not 'original research' and well referenced. Rwos (talk) 15:34, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - Chappargram is in Battagram district of North West Frontier Province, Pakistan. Here in the US we have articles for unincorporated areas where there is population of more than 2500 - Census Designated Places.  E.g Eastgate, Washington.  Someone listed Chappargram on Wikimapia .  It has a population of more than 7,200, which is significant next to what it takes to list a CDP with the Census Bureau here in the US.  It needs a bit more documentation and references, but should not be deleted.  kgrr  talk 17:04, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You have a reliable independent source for that? I can't even find the equivalent of a census bureau entry for this, we can't even verify the spelling. Guy (Help!) 19:43, 8 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This article has been nominated for rescue. Silver  seren C 19:01, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment I have tagged this article for rescue and added two sources that mention the town. Silver  seren C 19:01, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * These extremely trivial mentions can hardly serve as evidence of anything. — Rankiri (talk) 14:48, 8 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete or redirect/selectively merge to Battagram. The article consists of unverifiable original research. The Google results show no reliable information about the subject: . Suspiciously, the search engine also has no results for the Pashto name and only two possible results for the Urdu name of the village. One of them appears to be a blog; the other one seems trivial and possibly unconnected to the subject: "In the Punjab خصوصیٞمحلہ بٹگرامٟنمائندہ چھپرگرام girls' primary school تعمیرکیاجائے squalid Mohalla Punjab while talking with newspaper representatives, said that our localities میںگرلز primary school, we are deprived of زیورتعلیم girls of NWFP we authorities are to appeal to the federal system that our girls from the زیورتعلیم to ornate approved the school." — Rankiri (talk) 14:48, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you please have a word with, it seems this is his home village and he's determined to write about it and his clan, despite the fact that the sole source seems to be himself. It's getting old. We also have Sockpuppet investigations/Zia86khan pending checkuser. Guy (Help!) 19:43, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * If you mean to have a word in Pashto, I'm afraid I don't speak it. You'll probably have better luck leaving a message on WT:PAK. — Rankiri (talk) 20:11, 8 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. Searching for the spelling "Chappergram" finds reliable sources confirming that this place exists, and has a school and an army camp. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:08, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw these sources yesterday. In, "Chappergram" is the name of a school. It's possible that the school is named after the village, but for all we know, it can also be located anywhere in Battagram. only mentions the Chappergram ARMY Camp. Saying that the source confirms the existence of the village is WP:SYNTH. In addition, none of these sources deal with the problem of WP:OR. — Rankiri (talk) 15:01, 9 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep, Village exists if we look here (listed on a government website), it lists a polling booth, in the Government Primary school in Chappargram, the same page also lists another one in the Government Primary school in Ajmera (so it is not the name of the school but the location. Also if you look at the "Area / Village / UC Name" column it lists Chappargram - thus this is not the name of a school but of a verifiable settlement. Pahari Sahib   12:54, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I have no doubt that the village/settlement exists, but is that enough to warrant a separate entry? Looking at the map I referenced earlier, should each settlement have a separate entry? I am not sure if there is a wiki policy for geographical locations, and I know that there are other geographical locations that are included in wikipedia, like Kramer Junction (as a bad example of why a location should be included), but should there not be a reason to include a location? For example Booligal, population 212 (as a good example of why a location could be included). Notability? Other references that have provided this notability to avoid original research articles on wikipedia? Rwos (talk) 14:28, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep as per WP:OUTCOMES, our precedent is that "cities and villages are generally kept, regardless of size, as long as their existence is verified through a reliable source." A government website is surely a reliable source. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 21:02, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep   as a populated place, as  verified on official sources.   As for the map, yes, Wikipedia   should include every one of the  settlements.  DGG ( talk ) 00:47, 12 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep It's not a hoax. It is a verifiable village. --Stormbay (talk) 02:11, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep It has been verified as a real village.  D r e a m Focus  07:27, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
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