Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Characters in the Mario Kart series


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus is that this is in fact fancruft. The "keep" opinions only amount to WP:Other stuff exists.  Sandstein  13:43, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Characters in the Mario Kart series

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A huge table of characters from the Mario Kart series of video games, without any actual information. That is trivial WP:GAMECRUFT, No. 6, trimmed for readability: "Lists of characters lacking secondary sourcing: (...) excessive in-game details on characters is strongly discouraged. Standalone lists of video game characters are expected to be (1) written in an out-of-universe style with a focus on their concept, creation, and reception, and (2) cited by independent, secondary sources to verify this information. (...) it is instead more appropriate to reduce the list to one to three paragraphs of prose within the "Plot" or "Synopsis" section of the game or series article. (...) soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 06:47, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions.  Megan Barris   (Lets talk📧)  07:44, 9 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep No reason to delete it. Either delete all of them; Characters in the Super Smash Bros. series, Mario_Party, List of Tekken characters etc., or none. I agree it needs work, it's mainly Mario Kart Tour that ruins the page with a ton of irrelevant characters, maybe mobile games should have their own section or could be removed altogether. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 08:00, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, I think me pointing to WP:GAMECRUFT No. 6 actually is a very good reason to delete it. Why should we keep it? Where are Mario Kart characters "written in an out-of-universe style with a focus on their concept, creation, and reception, and (...) cited by independent, secondary sources to verify this information"? You're saying that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and it's WP:ALLORNOTHING. But we're discussing this list article, not similar ones. The Mario Party one is a section on a main article (which is in need of a good trimming too) and I'd argue that at least Tekken is its own franchise and isn't a fighting game from other Namco Bandai games. (but also needs more secondary sourcing on creation, development, reception, etc). soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 08:40, 9 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - it’s the definition of WP:GAMECRUFT, split out into its own article. Sergecross73   msg me  14:34, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I would argue that falls under WP:NOT, particularly WP:GAMEGUIDE (which specifically mentions avoiding extensive lists of video game concepts) and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. As every source being used is simply the official websites for a handful of the games, there is no reliably sourced information that needs to be preserved, either. Rorshacma (talk) 15:24, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - This is fancruft by every definition. There's nothing here that can be used for other articles, as the refs are all primary and come from company websites. I don't see this being of use to anybody. Namcokid  47  (Contribs) 16:15, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge with Mario Kart, per the above arguments. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:31, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * KEEP Category:Lists of Nintendo characters and Category:Lists of video game characters have plenty of articles like this. A discussion should be done on the video game wikiproject's talk page to discuss what to do with them.  This information wouldn't fit in the main article for this notable series.  Best to have it as a spin off article for a character list, such things common for notable media.   D r e a m Focus  05:07, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * C'mon, I think you know that's WP:OTHERSTUFF. WP:VG isn't the authority on video game-related articles, so why shouldn't we discuss this here? And lastly, again, where are Mario Kart characters "written in an out-of-universe style with a focus on their concept, creation, and reception, and (...) cited by independent, secondary sources to verify this information"? soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 05:52, 10 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete The very definition of WP:GAMEGUIDE, as it is only of use to players of Mario Kart and no one else would have a reason for wanting to compare characters across games. Transwiki if you think the info is useful, but it's not fitting for a general encyclopedia.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 13:30, 10 July 2020


 * Delete - Pretty trivial material along with GAMECRUFT. What makes it encyclopedic to have if it doesn’t have notability independent of Mario Kart or the individual characters themselves?  Red Phoenix  talk  22:01, 10 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - I see people overwhelmingly want to delete this, but I see the comment from Aquatic Ambiance. What's the difference here between this and the Super Smash Brothers character list? Both of them are games without much story, and so you won't find much analysis or reaction about the characters. Is it possible to fix this to get to the standard of that article? Can we start by removing the duplicate entries / costume changes from Mario Kart Tour? Archrogue (talk) 17:37, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It could just very well be that Characters in the Super Smash Bros. series itself could be a valid candidate for deletion itself, since WP:OTHERSTUFF does not usually hold much sway in AFD discussions. Though, I rather suspect that there is more coverage in sources to be found on that topic, due to the nature of the game and its fanbase.  Regardless, removing duplicate entries would not really help matters here, since as you said, you really can't find much in the way of analysis of the characters in reliable sources, so this can really never be expanded to be more than a WP:GAMEGUIDE.  Rorshacma (talk) 18:18, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Smash is kind of defined by it's characters and new additions to the roster have to be noted. Mario Kart simply is not as it is mostly cosmetic. (Oinkers42) (talk) 03:14, 14 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. It's just a table so there's no sourced content to merge. I don't think there needs to be some referendum on other articles before this article is handled in isolation. (not watching, please )  czar  04:16, 17 July 2020 (UTC)


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