Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Characters of the Mass Effect universe


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure)  TheSpecialUser TSU 01:42, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Characters of the Mass Effect universe

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In-universe and excessively long, with no critical third-party sources. A few lines could exist in the main article, but there is neither need nor rationale for this split. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:21, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 18:47, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
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 * I really wish people would stop taking editing problems like this to AFD. It's a notable franchise and there is often a clear consensus (whether demonstrated at AFD or elsewhere) to keep separate character lists for fictional franchises, often because separate pages for individual characters have been merged there. The solution is obviously for someone who is actually familiar with the subject to trim it down if the character descriptions are excessive, but even trimmed down the sheer number of characters suggests that it's too long to merge anywhere. postdlf (talk) 19:06, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with this. I haven't done enough research do formally say "Keep" yet, but I find it rather unlikely that such a popular, mainstream game series such as Mass Effect would be unable to garner at least the bare minimum of coverage to meet the WP:GNG here, especially when, in my experience, the bar tends to be set relatively high for single character articles, but relatively lower for these collective "list of character" type formats. Sergecross73   msg me   19:14, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - Between three (four? I think they just announced the next one this week) games, and several spinoff mediums, it is reasonable to have a character list. Issues with excess plot and in-universe cruft are not reasons to delete something like this. --M ASEM  (t) 19:23, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Split or Delete - Article is too long, and should be split or deleted.--Jax 0677 (talk) 03:19, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. As with other franchises, this is a reasonable split from the main article(s). Remove the minor characters, trim the major ones, and add sourced info, keeping in-game sourced material to a minimum. Lots of material here is of no interest to a general reader, but that is an editorial matter. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 13:24, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Split into a list of notable characters and a list of minor characters. Trim excessive descriptions and properly source (i.e. axe the facebook and wikia refs, add RSes). The list of notables needs RSes showing notability. The list of minor characters needs RSes capable of meeting WP:V to back up the descriptive claims and to verify that they are characters in the franchise. -Thibbs (talk) 14:17, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep as character lists for multi-game series are generally considered okay, and there are sources for this type of content. Article may require trimming and cleaning, but that's not a valid rationale for deletion. —Torchiest talkedits 20:44, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep and trim as needed, per Torchiest. Jclemens (talk) 02:51, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Being too long is not any reason to delete an article. Maybe it should be split and/or trimmed, but not deleted. JDDJS (talk) 03:37, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - per my original comment and explanations of others above. It needs substantial clean up and trimming, but there's clearly a notable topic here. Sometimes in trimming articles like this up, it's helpful to set up "inclusion criteria" to determine who you want to include. (For instance, only including characters who have appeared in atleast 2 games. I know this is a relatively short running series of only currently 3 games, so this particular one may not make sense, but perhaps a different one could be helpful in cutting down on some of the inevitable future arguing over what stays and what goes.) Sergecross73   msg me   16:13, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - per Sergecross73. Problems can be dealt with editorally, content is the issue rather than the topic. Claritas § 01:16, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.