Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charfassion Karamatia Kamil Madrasah


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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 11:12, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Charfassion Karamatia Kamil Madrasah

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Madrasah exist, but unable to find anything, all of sources are passing mention or not related. Fails WP:GNG. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 18:02, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - No context. A sub-stub.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:18, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Don't we generally keep high schools? This article is hampered by having most of its sources in Bengali. Current footnote five is not to an article, but to a newspaper search; however, listed in that search is a substantive article about this madras here entitled "Honors courses were introduced in two madrasas simultaneously in Charfassion", which computer translated reads in part Charfassion  Karamatia Kamil Madrasa Assistant Professor Maulana. Nurul Amin said that since its establishment, this madrasa has been playing a role in spreading religious education in the region. A new chapter in madrasa education has begun this year thanks to the efforts of MP Abdullah Al Islam Jacob, who is particularly fond of religious education and religious institutions. and This year, Fazil (BSS), Fazil (BA) and Kamil (MA) private examination opportunities, Kamil (MA) Department of Fiqh and Fazil Honors courses in Al-Hadith and Islamic Studies have been introduced at Charfassion Karamatia Kamil Madrasa. Besides, Fazil Honors course and Fazil BSS course on Al Hadith and Islamic Studies have been introduced in Charfassion Karimjan Mahila Kamil (MA) Madrasa.  I don't know what kind of madras "Charfassion Karimjan Mahila Kamil" is, maybe for girls(?), but is seems to be in Charfassion as well. Someone who reads Bengali needs to check this out. The citation to  Islamic Arabic University should really refer to this document which is not machine translatable, but which I believe provides the schools charter.  Without review by Bengali speakers, I think that it would be inappropriate to delete this article, especially given the acknowledged under-coverage of Asian topics.  --Bejnar (talk) 19:39, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The nominators name is in Bengali, it might a good guess to assume they are Bengali speakers.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 04:10, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:56, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:56, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:56, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, the nominator did not do a bood "BEFORE", because i9f he or she had followed the cited links they would have found some sources other than "passing mention or not related". I admit that the original editor did not cite properly, but that ny itself is not an excuse. --Bejnar (talk) 23:30, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment We are moving away from generally keeping high schools. The old model was basically built on the assumption that any school that had averaged over 1000 students at a time over 20 years, or thus had in excess of 4000 total alumni would be notable. It was also somewhat built on the assumption local high school sports would get coverage. No one ever checked we could find idependet, indepth, reliable source coverage for every existing high school worldwide, and it was proposed by people who had not considered how many defunt high schools there are, how many rural high schools that are in a K-12 building with maybe 100 children in all grades, how many fly by night charter high schools there are, some also part of K-12 buildings, how many private high schools there are, some very small and with very short histories, and the last are way more common in some areas. We have come to realize there is no reason why institutions that educate should be given a special pass that treats them differently than insitutions that do other things. So we need sourcing on schools, not just special pleading.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:18, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amkgp  💬  18:36, 27 June 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:19, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails GNG, the sources are essentially forms of directory listings, mentioning the existence of the school or providing administrative details, but give no indication why this school might be notable. this might be of interest to you: WP:SCHOOLRFC.--Goldsztajn (talk) 20:05, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reference, I appreciate it.  Did you read, or read a translation of, the newspaper article?  Did you look at the detail in what I called, but did not know, the charter document? Both od which are referred to by sources cited, but not directly cited by the original editor, whose citation skills are apparently quite weak. --Bejnar (talk) 22:21, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * As far as I can see none of the sources provide any indication as to what is notable about the school - the sources simply indicate the school exists and provide bureaucratic details. The Daily Inqilab is a reliable source, but the article is essentially a promotion and by itself does not confer notability. The Daily Ittefaq is also a reliable source, the article is simply conveying information regarding teachers being excluded from exam supervision (the implication is fraud, but not detailed). So there are two minor articles from reliable sources and some directory listings; this is simply not enough to demonstrate notability, which is why the article fails the GNG. --Goldsztajn (talk) 21:31, 14 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete: Fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG. See WP:NSCHOOL, WP:ORGCRIT, WP:SIRS, and WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. When sources provide trivial mention they are considered as acceptable for content while not necessarily advancing notability. Simply existing is not a criteria. One source provided is an example (dailyinqilab). This does not provide significant coverage no more than Paritosh Kumar Sarkar ("Hindu youth arrested for blasphemy on Facebook in Nageshwari, Kurigram") and the same with The Daily Ittefaq, that simply drops a name ("The exempted teachers and employees are: Char Fashion Karamatia Kamil Madrasa Principal..."). A source needs to provide evidence of notability with in-depth coverage of the subject. Notability (events) is applicable because such sources are actually about some other "event"[s] and are just passing mention of a name (the subject) within the context of some other coverage.  --  Otr500 (talk) 06:49, 17 July 2020 (UTC)


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