Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charis School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 14:40, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Charis School

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Simply put, no assertion of notability. Originally a blatant advert for the school, I've radically cut it down, but at the end of the day, there's nothing special about this place. Ps: The original version mentioned the (in)famous "Jack and Jill school", who seem to be churning out large amounts of puff-pieces about related subjects (I've already deleted 3 or 4). yandman 15:17, 10 April 2009 (UTC) The school just started its Secondary Level just last June 2008, No information can be cited for population. Revised link to Approx no. of students (Note: latest data gathered was on the elementary level only, it did not mention Preschool yet).After an advert tag it was revised as per WP:WPSCH/AG suggested guidelines. Phil. Dept of Education laws indicate that all school must go thru Government Permit Phase for several years before it confers the Government Recognition for courses it offers. The "Jack and Jill" link was an attempt to make inline reference to the nursery rhyme Xapis (talk) 10:19, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak delete I'm having trouble finding reliable sources indicating any students in the school are above Grade 6. Admittedly, the one source I can find is for the 2003 school year, but certainly there weren't any secondary school students then. If sources can be found to indicate this is a secondary school, I'll change my !vote to keep. tedder (talk) 16:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions.  --  I 'mperator 16:35, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  —tedder (talk) 16:42, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect to Marikina City per precedent. I have completed the merge of this primary school. Cunard (talk) 23:23, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect to Marikina City per precedent. TerriersFan (talk) 23:36, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 *  Merge/redirect to Marikina City Appears to fail WP:SCHOOL Indicators of probable notability, as the Philippines Dept. of Education site lists it as an elementary school.  Ra di op at h y  •talk• 05:55, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - sources provided that show the school now includes a high school. TerriersFan (talk) 16:27, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Question - What sources? I can't find anything in the links in the article that  that show anything higher than the elementary level.  R ad io pa th y  •talk• 16:48, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Answer - you are quite right, of course, I'm having a bad hair day. TerriersFan (talk) 17:01, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - The Goverment permit isn't that a reliable source. It only started accepting high school students last year. The Dept. of Education is the sole gov't agency that can issue such permit. Xapis (talk) 17:16, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply to comment by Xapis - Keep the discussion here; it's not cool to ask someone on their Talk page if they might change their opinion. I stand by my merge opinion until we see a reliable source.  R ad io pa th y  •talk• 18:52, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - the government permit is certainly a reliable source. If you can link to it, or otherwise verify its existence, I'll go back to keep. TerriersFan (talk) 20:11, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Per above, my vote for merge remains. I'll change to keep if you can prove that the school accepts students in the high school grades. Cunard (talk) 23:09, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * As per WP:ELYES - "a link to a social networking site may be included when it is the official website for a business, organization, or person." Posts from the external link indicates it has a high school. 122.2.118.5 (talk) 04:01, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Could you link to the website that confirms that Charis is a high school? I looked through the links and couldn't find anything proving this. Cunard (talk) 04:59, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * School Website the TV Grab and some pictures show they have high school 122.2.118.5 (talk) 05:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That Facebook page doesn't specifically state that Charis enrolls high school students. I looked through the pictures but didn't see any people who could be at a high school age. But even if I did find students who looked like they were in high school, it would be original research. Cunard (talk) 18:53, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep as a combined school that includes High School as per precedents set for inclusion. Even if the only place found that says so is their own website, I can accept on good faith that Christian Schools are not prone to fabrication and that more coverage will be added.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 21:59, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Secondary schools are usually considered notable "by virtue of such factors as notable alumni, community importance, notable athletic and scholastic successes". This school being less than a year old, I doubt it has any of these. yandman  08:06, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Even if they are notable "by virtue of such factors", It needs to be noted that Filipino schools have a little presence on the internet. Consideration should be given for the article to build up as time goes along. Xapis (talk) 08:54, 14 April 2009 (UTC)\
 * But how can they be notable by virtue of these factors? They only apply to established schools. How can a school which has not yet produced any alumni have notable alumni? (etc for the other examples). This is a clear example of a secondary school that does not warrant inclusion (yet). No prejudice against recreation when the school has matured and there have been notable alumni etc... yandman  12:54, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * To accept educational funds from the Office of the Phil. Pres. means "importance to the community and region" (WP:SCHOOL Indicators of probable notability) and to be awarded with such funding means it is an established school. Xapis (talk) 14:23, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - I accept that the school now meets the guideline regarding "educating to at least grade 9/age 15."  Even though there are no alumni yet, older students are now accepted and the school should have an article.  R ad io pa th y  •talk• 16:05, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:SCHOOL isn't a guideline. It's clearly marked as having failed to achieve consensus. The policy here is WP:ORG. "A company, corporation, organization, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject". How does the fact that older students are accepted make it fulfill this criterion? yandman  16:09, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The precedent in deletion discussions has been to accept secondary schools as notable, regardless of significant coverage in secondary sources or lack thereof. If the school exists, if it educates up to grade 9/ age 15/Fifth form, whatever, it's notable.  R ad io pa th y  •talk• 16:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Because it was presumed that any school has produced at least a few notable alumni, won a few awards etc... In the case of a school that has no alumni, and has indeed not made any other mark on the world due to the fact that it is only a year old, things are different. You're applying an invalid precedent: the previous discussions were about secondary schools that have existed for more than a few months. yandman  16:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Whether or not there are notable alumni or any alumni at all, the school exists, it accepts student at the secondary level, and it should have it's own article.  R ad io pa th y  •talk• 02:26, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Why? Which of the general notability criteria does it fill? "Should" isn't an argument. yandman  07:08, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. More notable than a pokemon character. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  09:42, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - the school site shows that it contains a high school. TerriersFan (talk) 15:14, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


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