Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles Berstad (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. I think there is probably just about sufficient sourcing here to satisfy GNG. Comments since the last relist seem to echo this and I thnk we are just about over the line in terms of consensus. Fenix down (talk) 11:33, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Charles Berstad
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Article was previously kept at an AfD in 2011 on the basis that it passed WP:NFOOTBALL, but the criteria subsequently changed and the Norwegian men's Premier Division is no longer considered a 'fully professional league' during the period this player was active in it. Also fails WP:GNG. Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 21:16, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:49, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:49, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:50, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 22:09, 7 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 11:32, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete did not play in a full professional league and clearly fails GNG.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:01, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep He played nearly 200 matches in the top division. Yes technically not 100% fully pro league back then but this nomination is on a technicality; clearly top level footballer in a top level club. Abcmaxx (talk) 03:30, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that somebody playing in a top level league in e.g. Guam is automatically notable? GiantSnowman 11:27, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * No, but the country in question is Norway, whilst not the strongest league in the world certainly not the peripheries of football e.g. Andorra or Guam etc. Wasn't exactly an amateur pub league, clearly this person was an established pro footballer at the highest level in a reasonable European league with pro teams. He has amassed a lot of caps Abcmaxx (talk) 18:25, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - per my comment in Articles for deletion/Jan Berg (footballer, born 1943) Mentoz (talk) 03:11, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 02:39, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep I know this is WP:MUSTBESOURCES, but given he played 300-odd times in Norways top tier, I feel there would be no difficulty in linking to reliable secondary sources should they be easily accessible. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 22:04, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * This has been backed up by the sources found by (thank you). Microwave Anarchist (talk) 21:25, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Vote-wise, we're angling more to keep than delete, but there hasn't been a great deal of discussion around sources to prove gng. Spiderone has kind of started this but a bit more focus on this side of things would help a stronger consensus one way or the other.
 * Keep - Strongly agree with Abcmaxx. --- Løken (talk) 18:10, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - covered heavily enough    Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:30, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 22:27, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - I found another newspaper article which a bilingual Norwegian & English speaker could potentially use to expand this article. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:08, 28 February 2021 (UTC)


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