Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles Bronson (band) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was  Keep.  Jerry  talk ¤ count/logs 00:49, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Charles Bronson (band)
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Procedural listing; saw that someone tried to relist this on AfD but didn't do it right, so here you go. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:38, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep (but keep reading). I voted keep at the last AfD which (unfortunately, in my opinion) resulted in the article being deleted. This version isn't in the same realm as the last one, but I feel that it could be. The band passes WP:MUSIC: releases on notable indie labels (Lengua Armada Discos and Slap-a-Ham Records), has members from other notable bands (MK-ULTRA and Los Crudos), and was a huge part of the Dekalb/Chicago powerviolence scene. Wyatt Riot (talk) 21:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete! Ack!  This would be eligible for CSD A7 due to its lack of asserted notability, and it seems to consist almost entirely of a list of albums (see my essay at WP:COD).  It's interesting that the list of labels they're signed on is so long with only four years of existence, impossible unless they signed with a new one every couple months.  This combined with the lack of reliable sources makes me think it ought to be deleted.  Maybe it deserves an article, but this one is not it.  --Falcon Darkstar Kirtaran (talk) 22:05, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree with the above poster.  Lady   Galaxy  22:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:07, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:08, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep for they must have the world record for most record labels in the shortest amount of time......kidding. Delete, article fails to establish notability as per WP:MUSIC.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 05:43, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, the article doesn't establish notability to justify inclusion in an encyclopedia. It also bothers me that it was judged not to be notable, but this was ignored and hte article was just started again, without even any improvements (correct me if I've misunderstood this) Boleyn (talk) 08:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Charles Bronson was an important group in the powerviolence scene, and contributed future members of Das Oath and Holy Molar. Please note that I have added eight references, from reliable sources, to this article. WP:MUSIC indicates this criteria: The group "has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable." This criteria has been met. With that in mind, I feel strongly that the article should be kept.
 * I appreciate the effort you've gone to adding references. However, I feel that the article still does not indicate notability. Boleyn (talk) 22:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * My feeling is that eight sources, from sites such as Spin magazine, Pitchfork, and smaller newspapers, *does* indicate notability, according to Wikipedia guidelines. They're not my favorite band or anything, and I didn't create this article. I feel I'm reasonably unbiased. I just happen to like underground punk rock, and I think Charles Bronson's had a notable impact within that scene (and there are sources which back this up). I think that the article could be merged into the Mark McCoy page, if that compromise is necessary. However, with this many sources, I feel that the page can stand on its own. Aryder779 (talk) 00:38, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. Do you mean the article itself should be rewritten in order to make its notability more clear? I'll go do that. Aryder779 (talk) 00:39, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


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