Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles Butler (author)


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The result was   nomination withdrawn. Ron Ritzman (talk) 04:58, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Charles Butler (author)

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After looking through a variety of searches, I can't find any reliable sources that discuss this person in detail. It may be that I just can't find them, but unless they are found, article does not meet WP:AUTHOR or WP:GNG; I don't believe that the Mythopoeic Award itself is notable enough to guarantee notability. Qwyrxian (talk) 21:47, 20 February 2011 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:05, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:20, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable as an author according to our rules: first, his most important academic work,  "Four British fantasists : place and culture in the children's fantasies of Penelope Lively, Alan Garner, Diana Wynne Jones, and Susan Cooper" is in 236 libraries, and has been reviewed in the standard book review source   CHOICE: Current Reviews for Academic Libraries Dec 2006 v44 i4 p645,   School Library Journal Oct 2006 v52 i10 p192 ,  Reference & Research Book News August 2006-- & the academic journals Children's Literature Association Quarterly, 32, no. 3 (2007): 273-275,  Children's Literature Annual 2008 v36 p251(6) ,  Marvels & tales. 21, no. 1, (2007): 172 (Wayne State University Press). Another academic work,   Teaching Children's Fiction is in 148 libraries. .  And for his fiction: Timon's Tide is his most widely held and reviewed:  over 300 libraries & reviews in  Publishers Weekly July 3, 2000 , Center for Children's Books Bulletin Sept 2000 v54 p9, Kirkus Reviews June 1, 2000 v68 p792 ,  School Library Journal June 2000 v46 i6 p142,  School Librarian Summer 1999 v47 p98 ,  Voice of Youth Advocates June 2000 v23 p123   His other fiction,  Death of a ghost   "The fetch of Mardy Watt" i, "Calypso dreaming", The Lurkers" all in about 100 libraries and with reviews also.  Summer 2007 v55 i2 p100(1)  The library holdings are minimum figures--he's a UK author and I'm giving the counts from WorldCat, which greatly undercounts UK public libraries--and this probably makes more difference for children's fiction than almost any other genre. .  3rd party reviews in reliable sources  are the secondary sources that prove the notability of creative people or all sorts.   CHOICE is as reliable as they come. I have added the above information to the article.    DGG ( talk ) 05:13, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:35, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Keep per DGG, CHOICE review. --joe deckertalk to me 02:09, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I withdraw the AfD, based primarily upon the addition of the reviews. I don't think being found in a few hundred libraries meets any of the criteria listed under WP:AUTH or WP:GNG, but the multiple, independent, non-trivial reviews is sufficient for both GNG and the specific guidelines for creative people.  DGG, I'm going to drop a note on your talk page regarding the reviews.  Qwyrxian (talk) 14:34, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


 * To elucidate, I consider the presence of books in very large numbers of libraries as showing, for academic works, widespread influence in the subject; for fiction and popular non-fiction, best seller status. The number the shows this varies with field and nature of the book. It correlates very strongly with book reviews, because libraries buy books in large part on the basis of book reviews.  The book reviews were found with Book Review Index a paid service, but available in most libraries. A complementary paid service is Book Review Digest. There is no free equivalent. I will be glad to check these when asked. They are immediately available to me  and it takes only a few minutes.    DGG ( talk ) 16:36, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
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