Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles Carroll Wood (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. BD2412 T 22:56, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Charles Carroll Wood

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This page was previously deleted in January 2020 for failing notability:Articles for deletion/Charles Carroll Wood, the page was recreated recently with many more references, largely obituaries from the time, added, however there is nothing new added that establishes notability. Being "the first Canadian Officer to fall in battle during the Boer War." lacks RS and is a questionable basis for notability. Doesn't meet any of WP:SOLDIER. The page and the new references added seem to be more about his notable ancestors than him, but notability is WP:NOTINHERITED Mztourist (talk) 07:08, 29 April 2020 (UTC) Since proposing this AFD many more references have been added which has turned this into the most OBITUARY and MEMORIAL page I have ever seen. However all the sources that I can access are focussed on his notable family rather than Wood himself and so my original basis is unchanged, notability is NOTINHERITED. Mztourist (talk) 10:44, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Mztourist (talk) 07:08, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Mztourist (talk) 07:08, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
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33 references have been added from newspapers and sources across the world. I do not believe that any of these references were used in the inadequately referenced article that was deleted in January 2020 AlexdeGrey (talk) 08:52, 29 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete: the references added don't seem to be particularly focused on him, and besides that he doesn't seem to meet WP:SOLDIER either. "First to die in a war" isn't necessarily notable. Swordman97  talk to me  17:54, 2 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep An Obituary in The New York Times, Lieut. C. C. Wood's Career, Monday, November 13, 1899, p.2, and several other national newspapers demonstrates notability in multiple jurisdictions AlexdeGrey (talk) AlexdeGrey (talk) 19:47, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If it is an obituary published by a major newspaper (e.g., Guardian, New York Times, Los Angeles Times, etc.), these are articles which have the same editorial oversight as other articles in those publications. Such editorially-reviewed obituaries are appropriate sources to establish notability' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability/Noticeboard/Archive_1#Obituaries) (talk) AlexdeGrey (talk) 15:08, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak keep -- The interest taken by the Queen in the death and coverage in 33 newspapers (though they were no doubt copying each other) probably just about makes this notable. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:23, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * One reference which we can't access online is the only apparent source for Queen Victoria's interest. Mztourist (talk) 12:58, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The Times-Democrat, New Orleans, Louisiana, USA. Thursday, 9 January 1913, p.10: 'When Lieut. Charles Carroll Wood of the English army, aged twenty three, was killed in Belmont in November, 1899, during the late Boer War, Queen Victoria wrote a letter of sympathy to his family, and at her request Lieut. Wood's portrait was sent to her at Windsor' (talk)AlexdeGrey (talk) 19:11, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * General Zachary Taylor: The Louisiana President of the United States of America by James Joseph Alcée. Louisiana's Part in the War with Mexico. Published by Louisiana State Museum, 1937, p.48. Queen Victoria acknowledged receipt of Lieut. Wood's portrait on Jan.17, 1900 (talk) AlexdeGrey (talk) 22:11, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The reference to Queen Victoria can also be found on page 59 of this online book: CONFEDERATE SEADOG, John Taylor Wood in War and Exile, by John Bell, p.59. Published by McFarland & Company Inc., Publishers of Jefferson, North Carolina and London, 2002 ISBN 0786413522 (talk)AlexdeGrey (talk) 08:04, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment It is also notable that his memorial service was in a Cathedral, officiated by a Bishop and attended by a General, in uniform AlexdeGrey (talk) AlexdeGrey (talk)AlexdeGrey (talk) 16:22, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sulfurboy (talk) 07:38, 6 May 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 22:23, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - based on the comments of and .  There does seem to be a lot of sources talking about him, and he seems to have received notoriety due to the Queen's interest and having a small community named after him.  That said, I have a hard time judging these borderline calls, particularly concerning a man who died more than a hundred years ago, and whom I had never heard of before.  Alternatively, it might be appropriate to pair this down and merge it into a section of Chaswood, Nova Scotia.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 00:51, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: I have placed a merger notice on Chaswood, Nova Scotia, in light of my comment above, which links to this discussion. When this discussion has closed, please remove it.  Thanks--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 17:48, 17 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Seems to be more than enough mentions in RS to pass WP:GNG. NB: I don't know if 29 fotnotes on one sentence is a record, but it's got to be up there. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  22:01, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep- Even though there is a WP:CITEKILL problem in the 1st paragraph, the subject's notability has been demonstrated by previous comments. Username6892 20:11, 21 May 2020 (UTC)


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