Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles III of England


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Charles III. Liz Read! Talk! 00:40, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Charles III of England

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Charles III is the most likely wp:primary topic. This title should redirect there with a hatnote to the pretender per WP:2DABS. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 02:16, 12 December 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: Relisting as there is a split between those wanting to Keep and those wanting a Redirect. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:07, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Charles III: It doesn't make any sense to have a disambiguation page with two items only. RPI2026F1 (talk) 02:18, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * As closer of the RfD, I'm not going to !vote here, but will say that this is not true. There are many disambiguation pages with only two entries, and that is explicitly allowed by guideline. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 02:22, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Royalty and nobility, United Kingdom,  and England. RPI2026F1 (talk) 02:19, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Please note for context of why this was restored. The RfD consensus should be taken only as objection to the bold retarget, not necessarily consensus to definitively have a DAB at this title (which is beyond the jurisdiction of RfD). Courtesy pings   --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 02:20, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The convenience of hatnoting per WP:ONEOTHER is to avoid readers an additional click. Compare that with the inconvenience of having this show up at the top of the Charles III article: "Charles III of England" redirects here. For the pretender to the English throne, see Charles Edward Stuart. Charles III is a page that gets an average of 50,000 daily views! The pageviews of Stuart had shot up to 25,000 around the time the King chose his title, but now is in the 1000s. I don't see a reason to continue giving importance to the one-other via the hatnote, considering that views for Charles III of England are in single digits (It was 40,000 just for one day of the transition). Keep the disambiguation page as a neat solution. Jay  💬 08:29, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Charles III per the above. As neat a solution as the disambiguation page may be to having a hatnote, that does not render the phrase ambiguous. Charles III is the clear primary topic. BD2412  T 15:23, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is an argument about what the primary topic is. Unless your point is that per WP:ONEOTHER we should not / can not have a permanent disambiguation page. It talks about a One other topic which is supposed to be temporary, but does WP:ONEOTHER limit the use of one primary dabs? Jay  💬 05:40, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * If Charles III of the United Kingdom is the primary topic for "Charles III of England", then per WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT that is where this page should point, absent any IAR argument to the contrary. However, the "if" there is important, and really the main question for this AfD to answer. Is he the PTOPIC? Charles Edward Stuart styled himself as "of England", but never actually held that title; whereas the current King Charles is often called that but as a matter of law neither holds nor claims that title, as there is no longer a Kingdom of England. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 17:03, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 02:22, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: per the general doctrine of WP:SMALLDETAILS it seems to me that even though Charles III rules over England, he isn't not the WP:PTOPIC of Charles III of England as the role of King of England does not currently exist, as noted above. Stuart did not hold that role, but called himself King of England. It seems to me a cleaner solution to leave this as is without having to deal with additional hat notes on Charles III as noted by Jay. TartarTorte 00:51, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Redirectto Charles III and put a see also to the other article at the top of the Charles III page. It seems clear that one is clearly more notable than the other, but both are notable enough for an article and there aren't other articles that could be on that disambiguation page. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 02:17, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Charles III. The existing dab page Charles III (disambiguation) which is already in the hatnote is more than sufficient to serve the purposes of anyone searching for the pretender. I will add that Bonnie Prince Charlie claimed the thrones of England, Scotland, and Ireland, so the title "King of England" is not wholly accurate for either figure, which I would say voids the SMALLDETAILS concerns. ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  14:18, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Charles III. Although incorrect, the British sovereign is frequently referred to as the King of England, especially abroad, and this is the clear primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:15, 21 December 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.