Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles J. Fisher


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. ff m  18:56, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Charles J. Fisher

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Biography of non-notable local "historian for hire" who helps people get their homes listed as historic buildings; please see the additional discussion on the article's talk page. --Glenfarclas (talk) 00:29, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom Cynof  G  avuf 11:22, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Fisher is an activist who has preserved many historic buildings, often without remuneration. For example, he recognized the Purviance Residence as an early Schindler design and nominated it as a monument simply because the structure is historic and should be spared. The Cultural Affairs department rejected the application, but ultimately community support for saving the historic residence spurred Eric Garcetti to intercede on behalf of the Purviance Residence, which was declared June 21, 2006. There are numerous similar examples where Charlie has worked on his own to preserve historic structures, or when he has donated his efforts to apartment residents' groups or to neighborhood councils. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikigratia (talk • contribs) 05:37, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Userfy, Outside of work for the city, the subject of the article doesn't appear to be notable per WP:BIO. That being said, there is no reason why the creator of the article, cannot place it in their sandbox, and continue to work on it. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:40, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions.  —Optigan13 (talk) 06:44, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Sounds significant to me. There are some historian authors and historic site photographers who are so prolific that they certainly seem very notable to me.  I am not aware of there being articles about any of them yet, but this guy having >100 is a lot, and I think it could be worthwhile to create articles about more of them.  I just mentioned this AFD and the general issue at wt:HSITES. doncram (talk) 19:02, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Note from article author Per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_is_not_a_matter_of_opinion : "...please keep in mind that notability is not a matter of opinion. Arguments for keeping the article should be supported by reasonable evidence such as reliable sources, not whatever you believe."

The article contains 54 references from the Los Angeles Times, the City of Los Angeles, and numerous other papers. Deletion would be contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. Those in favor of deletion, please provide feedback. Wikigratia (talk) 17:47, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply from nominator: No, those are pretty much all minutes of town commission meetings and the like. You've got one citation to an actual LA Times article, but that just paraphrases Fisher talking about someone else in an article about a historic trolley station whose preservation Fisher apparently had nothing whatsoever to do with.  I'm sorry, but I don't think any of that shows notability at all.  --Glenfarclas (talk) 08:21, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  22:20, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Note from article author Thank you, JForget, for relisting. I look forward to the continuing discussion.
 * Reply regarding the Huron Substation The Los Angeles Times article describes the Huron Substation, which Fisher and his group the Highland Park Heritage Trust successfully nominated to be preserved as City of Los Angeles Historic Cultural Monument #404 in 1988. Hence, you are absolutely incorrect in your assertion that Fisher "had nothing whatsoever to do with" the Huron Substation.
 * Reply regarding citations Many of the citations I list are indeed minutes and agendas in the City of Los Angeles, which is the second largest city in the U.S. This reliable secondary source offers numerous independent examples that support my argument that Fisher is notable primarily due to his work protecting historic Los Angeles.
 * Notability, according to Wikipedia Per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(people), "The topic of an article should be notable, or "worthy of notice"; that is, "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded." Fisher is unique in that he has successfully nominated over 100 historic buildings as monuments.Wikigratia (talk) 21:10, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. He's been mentioned in the LA Times maybe dozens of times for his preservation efforts. The article should not list all his efforts as this is not a directory. Fences  &amp;  Windows  03:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - you don't document notability by cumulating many dozens of passing mentions, none of which even vaguely qualify as substantial coverage. Working to save a notable building does not thereby make you notable. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  04:47, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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