Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles John Tottenham, 9th Marquess of Ely


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The result was   keep. Whether a merge occurs can happen after-the-fact re: this afd. slakr \ talk / 03:15, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Charles John Tottenham, 9th Marquess of Ely

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Non-notable hereditary Marquess who inherited his title after the House of Lords Act 1999 thus has never possessed the right to sit in the House of Lords. The only career mention given in Who's Who is "Director of Admissions (formerly Head of French Department), Strathcona-Tweedsmuir School, Calgary." Flaming Ferrari (talk) 17:07, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep, per comment of Jimbo Wales at Articles for deletion/Henry FitzRoy, 12th Duke of Grafton and elsewhere: "There is usefulness in having a compete set of entries on hereditary peers, even if some peers are less prominent or noteworthy than others, even when the article must of necessity remain something of a stub. Considering these articles in isolation, i.e. not noting that they are part of a wider series, is mistaken." Moonraker (talk) 07:02, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:43, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:43, 9 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete definitely fails WP:GNG and WP:BLP. "Being born" cannot mean notability. For the sake of completeness a row in a table is enough, which would be definitely better than having this almost-empty page. --Vituzzu (talk) 23:19, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: whether or not one approves of the hereditary peerage (and baronetage), there are still plenty of people interested in the present holder of an historical title.45ossington (talk) 08:22, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Your argument is invalid, we are not dealing with peerage but with almost empty useless pages. --Vituzzu (talk) 10:52, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge to Marquess of Ely. According to Who's Who], he was "Director of Admissions (formerly Head of French Department), Strathcona-Tweedsmuir School, Calgary, until 2004".  Surely that malkes him NN.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:13, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think I'm coming down on the side of keeping articles on peers or their heirs, whether or not they sit in the House of Lords, as all their predecessors did (and therefore all meet WP:POLITICIAN) and it would be slightly odd and not of value to the project to break the chain of Wikipedia articles. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:47, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, slakr  \ talk / 06:26, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

 Keep The solution to incomplete pages is to edit them so they are no longer incomplete. As members of the higher nobility in a country where such nobility has an active legal status, they're notable. when they were legislators it was automatic under WP:POLITICIAN, but it makes sense even now when when they are not.  DGG ( talk ) 00:38, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I still say merge but no objection to keeping. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:26, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.