Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles Ludlow


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Happy to userfy a draft version if someone wants the material to merge elsewhere.  Go  Phightins  !  11:13, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Charles Ludlow

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US Navy Captain in the War of 1812 with no significant awards or decorations. Pages has been unreferenced since 2009 and while there are a few sources I don't believe they amount to SIGCOV in multiple RS necessary to meet WP:GNG Mztourist (talk) 10:07, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete/Comment I think captains count as 'field grade officers' rather than 'flag/general officers'. If so, WP:OUTCOMES state that field grade officers must demonstrate notability independent of their military rank. If captains are flag/general officers, then they are notable in their own right. But, assuming that my intuition is right that the subject is a field grade officer, I don't think the subject meets general notability. Bibliopole5795 (talk) 11:26, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Flag/general officers have no inherent notability, they must satisfy WP:GNG. Mztourist (talk) 11:57, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Mztourist (talk) 10:10, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:44, 9 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment I was able to find some mentions: this from The Magazine of American History; a mention in Six Frigates along with his brother; mentions in Albert Gleaves James Lawrence, Captain, United States Navy, Commander of the Chesapeake; William S. Dudley's The Naval War of 1812. There appear to be some more hits, but the issue is that his brother Augustus Ludlow's full name appears to have been Augustus Charles Ludlow and that distorts the number of hits. I'm still on the fence regarding notability although I am leaning a tad towards keeping. Best, GPL93 (talk) 02:33, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Article is 16 years old and still a stub with zero sources. And looks like current searches found mere mentions and nothing to build an article from.  Should probably not be a separate article. Ideal would be to find an article (possibly a list) to merge this into. North8000 (talk) 22:05, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete, although I'd support a merge as mentioned, but it might be tricky to find a proper home. Intothatdarkness 16:06, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete this unsourced article has existed for over 16 years. Without sources we cannot even verrify the contents. However even if it was verrified nothing here adds up to having notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:14, 11 March 2021 (UTC)


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