Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles Manners, Marquess of Granby


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The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 08:15, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Charles Manners, Marquess of Granby

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Not notable in his own right. He is a courtesy marquess but there is no certainty that he will become a Duke and we should cross that bridge when we come to it. For now he is not notable (other than for who his father is) and I don't believe he passes WP:GNG. Uhooep (talk) 11:10, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:47, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:47, 24 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Notable as he has a UK Who's Who entry https://doi.org/10.1093/ww/9780199540884.013.U17839 Piecesofuk (talk) 18:09, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
 * As mentioned elsewhere having a UK Who's Who entry is not one of WP's notability criteria Uhooep (talk) 08:07, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Royalty and nobility-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:19, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  11:45, 1 July 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. There are multiple references about him, so he passes GNG. Even if being listed in the British Who's Who does not automatically confer notability, it is a strong indication that references that prove notability can be found. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 04:14, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. The sources in the article are: 1. Geneall.net, a clearly unreliable UGS. 2. Who's Who, which I can't access but I strongly doubt provides in-depth coverage of him (not his ancestry) given it was first added when he was 8 years old. EDIT: Actually this ref is ineligible for notability consideration since entries are authored by the subject. 3. A gross Tatler list of 5 "hot single marquesses" that discusses how "shaggable" they are (Charles was 15 when this was published!) and provides extremely minimal encyclopedic info on him. 4. An article in Express, which is an unreliable source and thus doesn't count. 5. A Vanity Fair article on his sisters where he is mentioned in passing. 6. Another Express article. 7. An article in The Times written by his mother, so not independent and therefore ineligible. 8. An article in Tatler on his father where he is mentioned in passing. No one has presented other sources that claim SIGCOV so based on what is here this is a very clear delete. JoelleJay (talk) 19:20, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep- there are relatively few marquesses in the UK, and this guy will be a duke, which is even less common. Bearian (talk) 00:56, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: He's a courtesy Marquess, it's like a title while waiting to inherit the family title. As mentioned previously, there is no guarantee of ultimately inheriting the family title. Uhooep (talk) 07:23, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:22, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: As previously established, courtesy titles are not notable noble positions. Considering WP:GNG, there does not seem to be significant meaningful coverage. Curbon7 (talk) 08:43, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. There seem to be a lot of these, but there is no need to have a article about everyone who one may one day be a peer.  Athel cb (talk) 09:46, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Articles on people in this position undoubtedly would have been wholly encyclopaedic before the two World Wars, but I don't think they are today in most cases.  RobinCarmody (talk) 17:53, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect to the article on his father or the dukedom. Don't see evidence the subject meets the general notability guideline. Having a Who's Who entry arguably meets WP:ANYBIO point 3, but that just indicates the subject is likely to be notable rather than a guarantee that they are. I wouldn't be surprised if Who's Who has an entry on everyone with an aristocratic title and as noted above the entry itself can't be significant coverage if it was written when he was 8. The other sources are about his parents and mention him in passing, apart from "Single and hot marquesses" ("still only 15... Give him two or three years"), which isn't a great source for a BLP.  Hut 8.5  19:29, 14 July 2021 (UTC)


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