Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles Mason (Revolutionary)

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was - deleted - SimonP 15:44, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Charles Mason (Revolutionary)
User's 6th edit. 66.60.159.190 20:09, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn vanity page. and I would like to add that capitalists can not call themselves "revolutionaries" ! Revolución 16:48, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep A revolutionary is made so by the context in which he speaks, not by the content of his speech. El beatle 18:46, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep What? Vanity page?  If you talk to those who know about these things in the UK, this is hardly a vanity page.  This is a man who was imprisoned for a lengthy period of time for his beliefs, and has never fully recovered from his experiences.  Talk to any genuine left-wing student at any of Britain's more 'academic' universities, and you'll find his name held in the highest esteem.  It's mainly due to the UK's capitalist press that he's been almost excised from general political consciousness (such as it exists now in the UK) - not the case whilst the Morning Star (Socialist Worker) was still around.  Is this yet another attempt by capitalist society to try to delete this hero of so many true socialists from ever having existed?
 * This was posted by an anon, User:82.7.132.128. --Idont Havaname 19:20, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No albums yet.  His wife was Shiraz and his daughter is Chardonnay.  I suspect a hoax. --Idont Havaname 19:20, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * "His first music album (provisionally titled Bluff and Hokum)..." Delete. Unreferenced. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 20:02, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Replace, as unverifiable, with Charles Dixon of Mason-Dixon Line fame. Actually I'll do that myself. Keep.
 * Nevermind, I'm an idiot. Delete.--Scimitar 20:55, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep They ran a piece in the Guardian on him a while back, and he named his children after grapes purely because his wife already had a grape name.
 * This is User:62.252.224.17's first vote.
 * Comment: Fine, I looked on the Guardian website and didn't find him. They go back to 1998. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 22:58, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep actually met the guy after his release. Cool unfazed - inspirational Agitprop 22:53, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment:  First two edits by . --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:01, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, hoax, nonsense. RickK 23:17, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn vanity. --Etacar11 00:40, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nonsense vanity. JamesBurns 11:21, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep How many of those voting delete are in touch with true socialism? This guy is not into vanity.
 * Vote was posted by an anon, User:217.137.154.3. First edit by this user. --Idont Havaname 19:20, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Is this just another attempt to rewrite history so that nobody knowsthe fight CM fought against oppression - looks that way to me.
 * This is User:62.252.224.17's second vote.
 * Delete. Google doesn't have anything to say about the guy, (after filtering out Charles Dixon and misspellings of Charles Manson). Always ready to lend support in the fight against sockpuppets, (the sock puppet revolution will not be televised). func (talk) 00:02, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I think there's a lot of supposition going on here.  Maybe MI6 are still blocking the guy.  Not fair to delete on such skimpy evidence.  Suggest we leave it up.
 * User:82.7.132.95's only edit. func (talk) 18:57, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep It shouldn't be the function of Wikipedia to try to blot out left-thinkers just because their politics don't fit in with current political fashion
 * This is User:62.252.224.17's third vote. (He's knows that we can track IP address edits, right?) func (talk) 00:00, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree.  Wikipedia shouldn't support what appear to be attempts to politically censor out people who fall foul of the UK secret service
 * User:82.7.132.8's only edit. func (talk) 22:11, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep That's the whole point some people are missing here. Of course he doesn't show up anywhere.  Wikipedia is the one place the thought police can't get at - though I see they're trying to.  I'm a student at LSE in London, and there are lecturers here who say they know of this guy from way back - I believe them.
 * has 31 edits, 28 made today, 3 made yesterday, after this vote began. (Note: Obviously, I am a card-carrying member of both the CIA, MI6, and of the Thought Police) func (talk) 15:19, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I went to Sheffield University during the 90s and seem to remember a brief article in the student paper about him - we had a discussion about it with lecturers in the Department (Politics) and one of them had studied with him at university, although didn't remember him particularly favourably! Slightly dubious about the conspiracy theory argument but people certainly knew about him at Sheffield - think it would be wrong to delete in case there is some kind of cover up.
 * The above edit was from . Dear Mr. 212.50.160.44, if there is a "cover up" going on, wouldn't the better place to "post" this nonsense be to news agencies rather than an encyclopedia? Please stop playing here. No one finds you funny. func (talk) 15:19, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I hit upon this stuff a few minutes ago, and I don't believe what I see. Who is this 'Func' person anyway?  An American.  What the hell does he know about British (or indeed world) politics?  Just take a look at his user page and form your own opinion!  Who is playing games here?  Who is trying to be funny?  Lack of political awareness and a peculiar skill for playing with IP addresses does not give you the right to control who is or is not relevant to Wikipedia.  This is an international resource (including the UK), and not just for Americans, despite what you might think.  You are not the only person with an opinion.  Take a look above - this is so obviously not the work of whoever created this page.  You are entitled to your opinion, but whatever you might think, you are not a God.  Far from it.
 * Please refrain from personal attacks. The preceding vote was the first edit by User:213.116.58.30. --Idont Havaname 20:41, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Right, and as an American, I was not aware that the city of Diss derives its name from Dante's The Divine Comedy, nor did I know that Diss is a "seperatist stronghold". I appreciate your British insight into such things, thank you. func (talk) 22:01, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - all this anecdotal stuff is irrelevant, even assuming anyone takes it seriously. Remember Verifiability. If you can't cite sources, it doesn't matter whether the guy's real or not. RayGirvan 00:43, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep There's enough on this page alone to verify the article. This guy is obviously a cult left-wing hero, pretty well known in the UK if not in the US.  Whether or not there's some sort of attempt to obliterate him from public knowledge isn't clear, but it does seem possible, and Wikipedia shouldn't allow itself to be hijacked in this way.  Let it stay.
 * 's first edit func <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">(talk) 01:12, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong delete and Kill the socks ! Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 11:18, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)


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