Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles Verderber


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The result was keep. Meets NBASKETBALL, and some sentiment that GNG is met as well. —Bagumba (talk) 10:28, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Charles Verderber

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The subject only played for college basketball, thus failing WP:NBASKETBALL, and, as far as I can see, fails WP:GNG. Ymblanter (talk) 11:51, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. Ymblanter (talk) 11:51, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:20, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kentucky-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:20, 17 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment His basketball career is all pre-internet but as far as I can gather, after graduating from college he went to play professionally in Spain where he eventually tore his achilles tendon, possibly during the 1982-1983 season. I can't find any stats before the 1983-1984 season and have no idea in what Spanish sources I should look but if he played in the Liga ACB, he passes WP:NBASKETBALL. There are also some reports that he was one of 26 Kentucky basketball players who said they received cash payments while playing for the Wildcats, possibly something there if someone knows where to look. Dammit_steve (talk) 13:03, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for digging this up. This page gives his playing time in Liga ACB as zero, but it might be worthwhile to continue looking for information.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:15, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep He probably doesn't meet the letter of NBASKETBALL, but there are enough little things that make me think he's notable enough. He had a celebrated high school career in a state with a rich tradition, and is still remembered as a local legend in downstate Illinois, . He was also the captain of a top-tier college program. Even if he never played a game in Spain, I think there are enough basketball fans who are curious what became of him, and there's enough information available to form a decent article. I'd suggest moving the article to Chuck Verderber. Zagal e jo^^^ 17:58, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Agree with moving the article to Chuck Verderber as most sources refer to him with the Chuck name. -- Dammit_steve (talk) 18:32, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep After some further digging I've found out that Verderber played for Obradoiro CAB in the Liga ACB during the 1982–83 season season where he tore his achilles tendon during the first half of the season.. This mentions that he had scored 35 points during the game he was injured in and the Spanish Wikipedia states it was in a game against Club Joventut de Badalona although they don't source it. By playing for the Obradoiro CAB during that season makes him pass WP:NBASKETBALL. It would be nice though to find Spanish sources from that season to improve the article. -- Dammit_steve (talk) 18:03, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - in addition to meeting WP:NBASKETBALL, I searched him (as “Chuck”) on newspapers.com and there are plenty of well fleshed out contemporaneous sources. Would agree it should be moved to “Chuck” if kept. Rikster2 (talk) 15:42, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets GNG and NBASKETBALL per above. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 16:32, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Played in Liga ACB and therefore meets WP:NHOOPS. Best, GPL93 (talk) 13:43, 20 November 2019 (UTC)


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