Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charlie (Street Fighter)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Going with keep here. Feel free to discuss mergers, if any, on the appropriate talk page. Thanks everyone! Missvain (talk) 01:04, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Charlie (Street Fighter)

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Like the previous noms, reception is lackluster and consists entirely of listicles in what little is there. Fails WP:GNG. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 12:51, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
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Haleth (talk) 08:21, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge. The reception section is pretty much just a paragraph version of 'he was n-th on list y, and m-th on list z', which a recent RSN discussion are not reliable and not sufficient for establishing notability. That said, it may be best to merge the reception section to the list of Street Fighter characters, it has some value, unlike the unreferenced plot-summary fancruft. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  07:25, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep and improve, or in the alternative if the consensus is that the subject does not meet GNG, merge. I believe this character has received some coverage which have not been used in the article, but he is probably a borderline case. Also, a tentative agreement between a handful of editors on a viewpoint is not a precedent-establishing consensus, and not all of the listicles cited actually provide passing mentions only. Anyway, a few unused sources for everyone's consideration:
 * Den of Geek
 * Verge
 * Polygon
 * Gospel Herald
 * The Den of Geek one is not bad, but the others are trivial. If there were several like the Den of Geek one I would withdraw my nomination but it still doesn't appear to be independently notable just based on that (and that ref can easily be incorporated into the overall character list).ZXCVBNM (TALK) 02:05, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * A few more that I've found. Haleth (talk) 02:55, 11 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Hardcore Gamer
 * VentureBeat
 * Forbes
 * Movieweb
 * Weplay
 * Hmmm, not bad. Most of those are borderline/unreliable, but denofgeek, plus (although it is half-WP:INTERVIEW),  are good. This is also interesting, but seems more like a blog? Still, this is getting salvageable. Can we find anything more reliable? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  08:23, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Websites like Kotaku (and its sister sites), Polygon and Destructoid are all essentially in blog format. Even longtime media outlets like IGN publishes posts that comes across like blogged content at times. The relevant consensus is not so much whether it is a blog and if so perceived as lower quality, but rather whether the blog site has any kind of editorial oversight, besides putting out quality content. Haven't seen anything about this weplay.tv site which leaves me concerned me about lack of editorial oversight or professionalism. One thing about the character though, he has a long history of being referred to as just Nash in Japan and other territories (which is how I found even more sources), besides his first name Charlie in the West. Whether he gets an entry in the list or the standalone article stays, it should be his full name.


 * A few more for your consideration as well. Haleth (talk) 23:14, 11 November 2020 (UTC)


 * CBM (another interview)
 * Destructoid (Official statue merchandise for Nash and Guile)
 * Technobuffalo (critique of his appearance)
 * Prima Games (half of it is game guide, but first 2 paragraphs nicely summarizes his visual and gameplay redesign)
 * Detik (in Indonesian, another critique of his appearance and moves upon the reveal)
 * Redbull (about notable pro player who sticks with the character and provides insight into the character's metagame as of 2017)
 * 4Gamer (Interview with the developers in Japanese, some developmental info)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Per Deletion review/Log/2020 November 16 after a contested "merge" closure.
 * Redirect - Topic does not establish notability, but it seems something can maybe be salvaged for the character list. TTN (talk) 21:18, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I have listed an extensive amount of sources which build towards demonstrating the character's notability, but you have not commented on why the sources are unsuitable or do not provide significant coverage. To closing admin, given that the nominator and another editor have indicated that they are open to considering these sources, may I suggest that this discussion be relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Haleth (talk) 06:53, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Eurogamer Evo 2016 coverage (3 Charlie Nash tournament players ranking in the top 5 and one of them was the winner)
 * Eurogamer SFV review (Non-trivial analysis of the character's gameplay, in comparison to trivial mentions for most other characters)
 * Comicbook.com (Interview with Joey Ansah the director of Resurrection)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:44, 24 November 2020 (UTC) Keep - The sources listed here could prove useful in improving this character's article... Roberth Martinez (talk) 04:54, 25 November 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge. There is not enough coverage in the above sources to do justice to the topic without delving into primary sources and original research. Expand summary style within the parent article. This should be the default for these characters—their coverage is very often among all other series characters, not profiles into out-of-universe impact of Charlie Nash. Don't think this needed to go to deletion review and don't think this needed to be relisted. (not watching, please )  czar  06:05, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Den of Geek looks very good. Polygon is reliable, though not much depth.  primagames.com has 2 paragraphs of coverage of the character as a concept and quite a bit more as a playable character. Not sure is considered reliable, but I can't see why it wouldn't be reliable in this context. The Weplay one I'm unclear on (feels like a blog post, but might not be).  So one good source (in-depth, reliable, independent), one reliable source with only a couple of paragraphs, and one good one I think is reliable plus a ton of other stuff.  Hobit (talk) 03:35, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * If Den of Geek is the best we have, it shows that the character is only noteworthy in-universe. I think it's a stretch to call that Polygon release an article. I haven't seen coverage that describes his importance outside the general list/cast of series characters. czar  20:38, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   21:59, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep and improve. Otherwise, merge.  Hansen Sebastian Talk 12:18, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Appears to be a well-researched article, and with the additional sources found that are listed above, I think it adds value to the encyclopedia. It also appears to be a puzzle piece to a larger set.--Concertmusic (talk) 15:42, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Already a good length, there in enough coverage, could add a few more sources, but definitely notable. Seacactus 13 (talk) 21:49, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


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