Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charlie Heat


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The result was no consensus. No consensus after two relistings. (non-admin closure) f  e  minist  00:59, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Charlie Heat

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Marginal example of a not-yet-notable composer/producer; assertions and claimsseem to be in conflict with WP:NOTCONTAGIOUS, since he does not appear to be notable in his own right Orange Mike  &#124;  Talk  20:50, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep WP:MUSICBIO #8 says: "Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award.". "Platinum selling" has also been sourced. I have now sourced three grammy noms. In addition, while this is a relatively new producer, I think there is more than enough coverage to meet the WP:GNG, albiet not as much detailed coverage as i would like. But there is some. I have added several citatiosn and a critical response section to the article. DES (talk) 23:36, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note that in the music field WP:NOTCONTAGIOUS does not seem to be fully applied, since WP:MUSICBIO #6 also says: "Is an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles." That is pretty much pure inherited notability, in a guideline. DES (talk) 00:01, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * comment - DES: do the Grammy databases list Heat as the nominee; or did he just work on an album that was nominated? I've noticed a tendency to treat anybody who ever touched a project, from the singer to the session musicians to the producer(s) to the sound engineer, as "Grammy-nominated" if the project gets a nomination (it seems to be worse in music than anywhere else). -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  00:06, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * That is a reasonable question, and I am not entirely sure of the answer. I can say that his name was included in the track list of a nominated album, and that a source (now cited in the article) says that he "received three grammy noms for his work" on the album. That is a bit more than being the sound engineer. I still maintain that even without the award nom, this passes the GNG, although I would prefer a few better sources to the more numerous but less detailed ones that I have found so far.DES (talk) 00:17, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Only Kanye is named on the Grammy page listing the nomination for The Life of Pablo. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:15, 24 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - because he is "an extra". But, I think it needs mentioned - as more and more entities move all content to the internet (including legitimate sources that allow for paid ads that look like articles), that WP really needs to step their game up with what does and does not qualify. This subject may meet the requirements simply based on the fact that there are enough "sources" that mention his name. Kellymoat (talk) 13:19, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * comment - mere mentions do not qualify a subject; sources must contain substantial discussion of the subject, not merely mention them in a table or list, or contain a single sentence that calls out their name. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  15:01, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, f  e  minist  00:39, 23 May 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947(c) (m) 19:18, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


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