Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charlie Morgan (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. v/r - TP 00:17, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Charlie Morgan
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Session musician who has not become notable. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:11, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Would the 13 years of recording with Elton John create notability? This site claims that he has 6 albums.  It also states that he has appeared on international TV shows. I am not positive that this is from a third party and not a mirror of his web page.  According to the IMDB on him he cowrote the soundtrack on The Bill and has worked with 9 other movies.  He even appears in the title of this iPOD touch app and this iPAD app.  Not sure how much good my last two points are, but this person is notable per WP:BAND.  Especially point 10.  It clearly states that this establishes notability if there is any other claim to notability as well. Ryan Vesey (talk) 22:49, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep
 * Performed at Live_Aid as part of Elton John's band. ("At one point midway through the concert, Billy Connolly announced he had just been informed that 95% of the television sets in the world were tuned to the event, though this can of course not be verified") — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juliewebgirl (talk • contribs) 04:04, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Performed on Something_About_the_Way_You_Look_Tonight, the biggest-selling single of all time in the UK. (This song is on the platinum album The_Big_Picture_(Elton_John_album) and credits are listed there).
 * Performed on 20+ Platinum albums including:
 * Elton John - Ice_on_Fire
 * Elton John - Leather_Jackets_(album)
 * Elton John - Live_in_Australia_with_the_Melbourne_Symphony_Orchestra.
 * Elton John - The_Big_Picture_(Elton_John_album)
 * Elton John - Made_in_England_(album)
 * Kate Bush - Hounds of Love
 * Kate Bush - The_Red_Shoes_(album)
 * Kate Bush - Lionheart_(Kate_Bush_album)
 * Kate Bush - The Sensual World
 * Wham! - Music from the Edge of Heaven
 * Performed on multiple top-grossing films, including Thelma & Louise, GI Jane, Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome, Tomorrow Never Dies, Quantum of Solace. Movie soundtracks typically don't credit the musicians, but he's shown in the first 5 seconds of this video on David Arnold and the making of the Quantum of Solace soundtrack.

I have his extensive discography (aside from the 20+ Platinum albums, he has performed on 50+ Gold albums and countless more). Perhaps I should list them all on his wiki, once this is settled. Juliewebgirl (talk) 04:05, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 00:32, 20 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep IF the sources are added. It's great and all to point out what sources are available, but we DO have to write an encyclopedia here, folks. Bearian (talk) 13:50, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep He is clearly notable. He has recorded with many notable people, and also helped create the theme music to a notable television series.   D r e a m Focus  07:04, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete: no indication that the topic meets the actual criteria of WP:MUSICBIO. Closest call would be criteria 10, which Morgan fails as he is only the co-composer, not the performer, of the theme music. In any case, that could easily be mentioned, with a redirect, at The Bill title sequences (per that criterion's recommendation). "He has recorded with many notable people" = blatant WP:INHERITED. Little-to-no indication of substantive sourcing. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 13:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I disagree, he co-wrote the music for the one movie, and performed music in many other movies. Ryan Vesey (talk) 16:20, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * His movie work seems to be either "uncredited" or on fairly minor films. I do not see this adding much notability. His co-writing for The Bill would have to qualify under WP:COMPOSER -- which requires a "notable composition" (i.e. that the composition has notability in its own right), not just "a theme for a network television show". HrafnTalkStalk(P) 16:46, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep - He is far from clearly notable based on Wikipedia's general, and musician specific notability guidelines. This Google Book search shows hits with some snippet views that indicate that coverage goes beyond just mentioning him.  This newspaper article is behind a pay wall, but appears to feature Morgan as the primary subject.  Much of what is visible online is just passing mentions, but there appears to be enough material available in offline sources to satisfy notability. -- Whpq (talk) 19:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
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