Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charlie Wiederhold


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Ignoring the OTRS side of things, I see no sign of notability for inclusion on en-Wikipedia ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 15:22, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Charlie Wiederhold

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I am the person this is about, and I'm not very encyclopedic. The person who original wrote it seems to be long gone. It's not well written (or accurate) and there is definitely not much interest in making it better. --Charlie Wiederhold (talk) 16:08, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This article was initially nominated for deletion at Miscellany for deletion and the collapsed discussion above contains discussion that took place while the nomination was listed at MfD. –Black Falcon (talk) 21:12, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable. With all due respect to Charlie, Wikipedia is not the place to post your résumé. Yoninah (talk) 22:24, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * He is the one requesting deletion of the article, not the one who created the article. –Black Falcon (talk) 22:54, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. In addition to the notability question, if Charlie himself would like the article to be deleted, then let's think about the reasoning behind the WP: BLP requirements. D OOMSDAYER 520  (Talk|Contribs) 23:59, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, while OTRS would be necessary to prove that User:Charlie really is Charlie, we have ample evidence to suggest that he isn't notable; when all but one of the sources are forums, there's no way that you qualify under WP:BIO. Assuming that User:Charlie really is Charlie — thank you for making sure that WP:BIO is being followed instead of simply editing it to make you look better despite a lack of sources.  Nyttend (talk) 04:43, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. I care about Wikipedia more than my ego and it had plenty of time to be improved without it happening. I have a personal website, that should be sufficient for anyone who wants to know what I'm up to. :) Charlie Wiederhold (talk) 07:22, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. MrKIA11 (talk) 14:42, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as failing WP:BIO. Ordinarily I would suggest OTRS as an avenue for a person requesting deletion of an article on himself to prove his identity, but I believe that even if we were to disregard the subject's wishes, he clearly fails notability guidelines. The article is sourced only to forums and an article that is potentially an RS but is not about Mr. Wiederhold, and a quick Google search doesn't turn up anything else that leads me to believe he meets notability guidelines. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 16:01, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok this will probably come off as strange since I requested the deletion, but figured I'd put it out there cause I'd like to learn. If this sort of stuff would improve Notability it will at least let me understand better what matters and what doesn't. I've generally avoided live people pages specifically because they are so quirky. Not asking the article to be kept, just clearing up notability conditions., , . There is more like that (Search for "chair story wiederhold" and what happened with it when 3D Realms shut down), etc. In terms of creativity did just work on a major product Modern Warfare 2, and was involved very visibly with another Duke Nukem Forever, but there are 100 people on MW2 here so that alone isn't enough and I'm not a lead designer on it or anything, and I just don't get the self promotion side of creative person as it relates to my involvement with DNF. I'm also currently mentioned on the Duke 3D and Shadow Warrior pages here. So dunno. Charlie Wiederhold (talk) 22:02, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - There are tens or hundred of thousands of people in the games industry, many of whom draw the attentions of fans from time to time, because of their community involvement, their personality or just by accident. This does not make them notable. Notability perhaps is indicated when the name of a developer is widely known even away from fans of the game or franchise. Jeff Minter or John Carmack for example. It certainly should require significant coverage of the individual - profiles, personal interviews, analysis of that person's impact, in print magazines or the online equivalent (not just fan sites, blogs and forums). By that this article's subject is nowhere near notable enough.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 16:16, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That clarifies a bit my question above to KuyaBriBri. Danke. --Charlie Wiederhold (talk) 18:08, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Inclusion in game credits is not enough in my view. I would expect individual coverage of him, e.g. interviews. Pcap ping  07:07, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.