Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charlie Zaa


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Stifle (talk) 23:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

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does not meet wikipedia notability guidelines — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daviddavey (talk • contribs) 18:12, October 7, 2008 Btw, if anyone else is trying to fix the article, please note that it needs reclassification. The stub lists the artist's birth year as 1974, but it's classified under 1978 Births.--Daviddavey (talk) 13:09, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep if referenced. Passes WP:MUSIC easily. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  18:48, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The bulk of the references are in Spanish, but I did find the following in the book World Music (ISBN 1858286360), in the chapter on Columbia: "Boleros... of which the most capable and interesting exponent is the sentimental Charlie Zaa." In other words, he's a central figure in his particular genre. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  18:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep He was nominated for a Latin Grammy (page 5), which should be enough to satisfy point 8 of WP:MUSIC. There are plenty of newspaper and magazine articles about him at Google News. Most are in Spanish, but here are a couple in English:, . Zagalejo^^^ 18:49, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the article should be sourced and referenced properly. Then keeping it would make sense.  Until then it doesn't seem to pass WP:MUSIC guidelines at all. --Daviddavey (talk) 05:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I've added one ref to the article about the Grammy nomination. I'll add some more references if you promise to help me out. Zagalejo^^^ 05:29, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If you add references I'll write "Keep" myself. The problem is that the article had none and read as promotional.  He is not super famous and little more comes up about him in a google search than would for an amateur band.  Reference it to demonstrate notability.  If he has established notability the page (as is) doesn't do him justice.  --Daviddavey (talk) 04:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Colombia-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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 * SPEEDY KEEP: He is super famous in Latin America, or at least he once was. -- Antonio El Latino Oscuro Martin 5:26, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * can that be sourced?--Daviddavey (talk) 04:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Certainly: ---Antonio Apple of Desire Martin, 10:38, 10 October, 2008 (UTC)
 * Do I really have to spell this out? Then do so.  As it stands the page should be speedily deleted if anything.  If he's notable then make it look like a wiki article.  This is my last comment on this page.  If you source it, great.  If not it hurts the credibility of Wiki (jmo, admin may disagree) and doesn't serve the artist very well either.  --Daviddavey (talk) 12:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Took care of that myself - assuming 1974 is correct, not 1978. If not, change both.  Article is still thinly sourced and fails to meet WP:MUSIC criteria as is--Daviddavey (talk) 13:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 1974 is correct, according to his bio in Gale's Contemporary Musicians. (That source will help confirm other details, as well.) What criteria of WP:MUSIC does the article fail? It's gotten better, and it should be clear that the topic is clearly notable. Zagalejo^^^ 18:45, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


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