Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charlotte Milchard


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  Sandstein  05:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Charlotte Milchard

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Contested BLP Prod. British movie actress. The references added are of the primary or unreliable kind, and the only references I could find on Google News were about a stage actress with the same name, and who doesn't seem notable either. Delete.  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 16:56, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Closer will note that this is not a second !vote. I appreciate that sometimes a nominator wishes re-assert their nomination by making a distinct emboldened delete vote beyond the nomination itself.   Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 00:08, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, this was done by the second !voter. I had nothing to do with this odd format. --  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 00:52, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops. In looking at the history, I understand how it happened.. With respects, I have returned it to the way it was originally intended. Sorry.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 01:12, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Very new character actress.Nothing notable, no sources. scope_creep (talk) 20:12, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Incorrect... though "new to television, she has sourcable acclaim for years on stage. Expanding on her stage background, and adding such sources to an article, is an addressable concern and not cause for deletion.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 00:08, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:13, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep and improve through regular editing. The Charlotte Milchard known for her stage work IS this same Charlotte Milchard.  It is learned that AS a stage actress she has received critical acclaim for work career in theater,even if not for television.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 00:08, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, so we're indeed talking about the same person. My bad. --  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 00:57, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No harm, no foul. At the very least some possible sources will not be overlooked because they were for her as a theater actress and not television. Thanks.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 01:12, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Charlotte Milchard was the celebrity guest at a charity fundraiser for Healthcare Partnership Nepal at the Hurlingham Club London on the 30th July 2010 I was attending that function and her biography is in the charity evenings glossy programme under our celebrity guests. I'm sure if you contact the charity Healthcare Partnership Nepal - charity # 1134185 they will confirm this. But with a little more research there appears to be over 26 pages of articles, blogs, message boards and information on Charlotte Milchard the Actress (stage and screen) on google. But digging a little more, IMDB Pro are classing her as the 13th most popular Actress in the World (with under 5 registered credits) as of 15th August 2010. Her overall ranking out of millions of IMDB entries of popularity is 1700, putting her above Billy Crystal and Ted Dansoon. Now I know that IMDB isn't the only source for Wickipedia entrance applications but it must stand her in good stead. Also it reports that she was snapped in last weeks OK magazine, Now I'm [pretty sure they would not have printed her picture unless they deemed her noteable) and taking into consideration the overwhelming evidence available of her growing stardom, I put it forward that Charlotte Milchard is a notable person worthy of her Wickipedia slot. etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjmpresents (talk • contribs)
 * The thing is, Wikipedia contacts no one for verification of the information present in an article. If the information cannot be verified by looking into reliable sources that are available at arm's length, it is removed. This means that blogs and message boards cannot be used as a source for a Wikipedia article, since anyone can post them without any editorial oversight. Google News (which is more likely to return stuff we can actually use) returns only 9 hits about her. As for her popularity on IMDB, this might be the result of googlebombing by a single fan, so it is not a criterion. As a rule of thumb, anything from IMDB is insufficient. --  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 15:08, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I totally agree that Wickipedia must challenge applications and apply as strict a screening policy as possible, otherwise the site becomes flawed. However in the case of Charlotte Milchard (Actress) are we not highlighting an even bigger flaw in Wickipedia? The overiding question should be, Is she of sufficient worth and noteability to warrant a place on Wickipedia? Your answer (as I understand) is either yes or no, and based solely on what you deem to be a reliable source and how long your arm is. If Google news is your choice of example for reliability, then I ask you at least to consider the possibility that not everything you view through Google news is completely reliable and acurate, and that this source doesn't necsessary make a person noteworthy. I accept that IMDB is not without its detractors but if you were to take a measured approach (your source isn't 100% reliable and my sources are not 100% reliable, you have to take a balanced approach) If you view reliable sources that are at my arms length, then she is indeed a noteable person worthy of her Wickipedia place. So the question you should be asking is. How many entries in Google news satisfies notebility? Is Google news too limiting to truely meassure a persons notebility? Does this blinkered screening process then make Wickipedia an unreliable source providing diservice to those it claims to provide for? Is Wickipedia then just a glossary for Google news which in itself is flawed? and finally How long is arms length, who's arms are they and under what regulation were these arms lengths determined?. I put forward once more that there is overwheming evidence, easily attainable by Joe public of the noteability of Charlotte Milchard (Actress) no amount of google bombing can detract from the fact that if Gold Circle and Universal have deemed her noteable as The Real DR Abigail Tyler in the movie The Fourth Kind, dated again 19 August 2010 then surely this in itself is suffucient evidence for noteability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjmpresents (talk • contribs)
 * If you would, could you add your comments at the end of this discussion, Sjmpresents? I've had to move them twice now, mostly because you are breaking some code at the top of the page every time you add your comments.  Thanks! Syrthiss (talk) 11:41, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite (t) (c) 01:41, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * After reading the notability guidelines for entertainers and the general notability guideline that Blanchardb recommended to me to do, I have now edited Milchard's page with references from what I believe are reliable sources to support her notability and entry into Wikipedia. I really hope this meets the criteria Blanchardb and MichaelQSchmidt and that you allow Milchard's page to remain. Battlestar Man (talk) 17:42, 19 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Battlestar Man (talk • contribs)
 * Actually, the references you've added to support her critical acclaim as a stage actress only count as trivial, except for one which is her own website. Please note that a passing mention of Milchard only serves to establish her existence. The notability these references do establish is that of the plays she took part in, not her own. What we're looking for is not necessarily something available online, but it does have to be primarily about Milchard and written by someone reliable with whom she has no connection. --  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 17:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Then I give up Blanchardb, I spent hours researching and putting together this entry. I looked at other actors and actresses on wikipedia to help me with this and some have less then Milchard and their entry remains in wikipedia. Concerning the references that I have used, they are from critics and each of them have given Milchard a specific mention in the theater reviews that I have found which I believe makes her notable. The Stage Newspaper is the main theater newspaper in the UK which I understand is published as print as standard but is available online so all these references that I have found have actually been published, therefore are reliable as they are independent critics and has no connection with Milchard. I am sure that there are more but they must be solely available in archived print and not available online so unlesss I contact Milchard herself or her talent agent, I don't know how to get hold of these or if I should waste any more time if you are not going to allow this article to remain anyway no matter what I do or how much time is spent. I do have two print articles with her, which I ordered - The Dark Side Magazine, issue 130, Jan 2008 and SCARS Magazine, May 2009 issue. These are still available to order so you can verify. So if this doe not finally verify Milchard then I do not know what else to do. MichaelQSchmidt thought that the article should be kept and improved with regular editing so can you not help with that? Battlestar Man talk • contribs 19:21, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Strong Keep Actress is notable for appearing in at least two major movies and this page sure can be improved with thime. References hvae been added and the page is quite good. It would be a waste to delete it. Terveetkadet (talk) 15:18, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
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