Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charlotte Sometimes (musician)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Consensus that the article does meet the notability guideline. Davewild (talk) 13:20, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Charlotte Sometimes (musician)

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WP:TOOSOON. Competed on The Voice, hasn't released anything yet. Fails WP:MUSIC. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:31, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

As per Wikipedia notability guidelines WP:MUSIC, if any one of these it true the artist is notable.

Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart. Yes, 'Waves and the Both of Us' hit #145 on Billboard top 200 http://www.billboard.com/artist/charlotte-sometimes/chart-history/981425#/artist/charlotte-sometimes/chart-history/981425

Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country. Yes, has been on multiple nationwide US tours, including Warped Tour in 2008. http://www.interscope.com/artist/player/default.aspx?meid=2612&aid=1040 http://www.soundspike.com/story2/14554/warped-tour-moves-beyond-its-punk-roots/ http://buzzbot.buzznet.com/user/journal/2492561/charlotte-sometimes-wonders-if-shell/  http://www.seventeen.com/cosmogirl/daily-kiss-charlotte-sometimes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warped_Tour_2008

Has released two or more albums on a major label or on one of the more important indie labels. Has released one album on a major label, and two EPs independently.

Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. Has been featured on the Voice nationwide on NBC. http://www.nbc.com/the-voice/artists/charlotte-sometimes/ Also, she was featured on the 2008 Warped Tour compilation. http://www.amazon.com/2008-Warped-Compilation-Various-Artists/dp/tracks/B0017R5UI2/ref=dp_tracks_all_1#disc_2

Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network. Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network. Has been featured on VH1 as a 'You Oughta Know' artist. http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/charlotte_sometimes/artist.jhtml at which time the video for 'How I Could Just Kill A Man' was in rotation.

Thereby artist is notable, and should remain.

666Fox (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:03, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 13:13, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The chart position is fairly low, #145 on the #200 and apparently for only one week. The tour does not seem to have independent coverage, as the source you cited is from her label (which is considered a primary source). Two independent releases generally won't cut it. Being a contestant on a singing competition is not inherent notability — lots of American Idol contestants have been merged or deleted. "You Oughta Know" artist does not seem significant, or at least not equivalent to having a music video in rotation. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 17:27, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't see how this artist isn't notable by those standards. Most contestants on American Idol, etc are amateurs who don't have a track record of multiple releases, several nationwide tours and haven't been featured on a national level before being in a competition. I vote to keep. 666Fox (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:34, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep The 2008 NYT article in the article is substantial. The AP coverage appears to be also (see text here) and may be able to be verified by looking through theAP mags around July 2008. Other articles in that link may also be verifyable. There is: A decent chunk on Sometimes in . A long review of Waves and the Both of Us by Chuck Campbell, Scripps Howard News Service that was published in The Knoxville News Sentinel, 16 May 2008 and in The Record, 23 May 2008. A sort review . She was at one point the top played video ("How I Could Just Kill A Man") on VH1 suggesting rotation. Contary to the claim in the nomination she has multiple releases. All that without till now mentioning The Voice. duffbeerforme (talk) 08:21, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Allmusic review and bio. duffbeerforme (talk) 08:26, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. Profiled in NY Times, Allmusic bio, and plenty of of refs listed in article and others commenting here. Easily passes WP:GNG. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 01:58, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per coverage in the New York Times, Allmusic, The Star-Ledger, Montgomery News, Sputnikmusic (staff reviews are deemed professional by WP:ALBUMS/REVSITE), and shorter pieces at MTV and Entertainment Weekly. Having the charted album helps suggest notability, as does the music video rotation at VH1 (here's a news clip about her on the channel as well). Whether or not every article above contains "significant" coverage can be debated. In my view, enough do such that she satisfies WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO, without taking into account her participation on The Voice.  Gongshow  Talk 18:55, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: I've added some of these sources to the article (others, including the NY Times/Alt Press/Allmusic, were already included).  Gongshow  Talk 19:58, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
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