Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charumitra


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Disambiguation. Once the discussion picked up the option to turn the page into a disambiguation page, consensus is pretty clear this is the best solution. (non-admin closure) Ifnord (talk) 01:22, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Charumitra

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The subject does not meet WP:GNG. TrangaBellam (talk) 11:07, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep. The spouse of a king or emperor is usually an exception to WP:NOTINHERITED Eastmain (talk • contribs) 15:00, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , you need to provide reliable references that she is the spouse of a king or emperor. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:43, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to her husband Bindusara. Queens/Empresses would indeed be an exception, but we need some substantial detail about her life.  The article suggests that we know nothing about her except as a wife and mother.  At this remote period, it may well be that we know nothing more.  I assume that the content is accurate.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:50, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , you need to provide reliable references that attest her to be Bimbisar's wife. A redirect is otherwise a hoax. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:58, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete for now. If somebody can validate that she was genuinely the queen, a redirect can be easily created. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:48, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate with Redirect to Chakravartin Ashoka Samrat and the play Charumitra (play) if it exists. If the play article does not exist then it should be a redirect to TV serial. Empress Charumitra is the name of a fictional character of a TV show named, Chakravartin Ashoka Samrat. There is also a drama written by Ramkumar Verma  with the title Charumitra. In my opinion neither of the 2 deserve own article. Redirecting to the TV serial is an acceptable outcome to me, since it is a search keyword for the fans of the TV serial. I dont think there is a historical person with this name. Charumati exists but is a different name and person not related to Charumitra.  Venkat TL (talk) 09:57, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. How do we know Charumitra is fictional? The wikipedia article on the real prince Susima names her as his mother. I also found this 1977 historical play named Charumitra for the Empress; so at the very least the TV show was not the first to invent this person (if she was indeed invented).4meter4 (talk) 01:30, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Update. The more I search, the more confusing this gets. This source states that Charumitra is the daughter of Ashoka. That is further confirmed by this source and this source which says she married the Nepalese prince Devapala in 239 B.C. This source and this source gives more information on the play where she is clearly a fictional maid servant (not empress). All of this to say, I think that she was a real person (at least according to legend), and the same name has been used in different works of fiction (i.e. the play and the TV show). How should we handle this?@,, , , please comment. 4meter4 (talk) 03:31, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Books on India-Nepal relations by little known authors from little known publishers fail to satisfy WP:HISTRS. They do not provide any reference for their novel claims.
 * There are multiple monographs on Mauryan Empire and a few hundred journal articles — especially on Ashoka, the supposed step-son. If this fact were true, some academic historian would have bothered to record it. TrangaBellam (talk) 05:36, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * True. Venkat TL (talk) 05:45, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @4meter4. All the reference about the person in Nepal and daughter of Ashoka are about "Charumati". I am calling Charumitra fictional because the 2 main places where the name is used (TV Serial and play by Verma) are fictional. Venkat TL (talk) 05:44, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure also. We should find her name in Hindi text. VocalIndia (talk) 15:26, 27 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep as a disambiguation page. I will create an article on the play at Charumitra (play) as there is plenty of RS in academic publications on that work to pass GNG. The Dab page can link to the play, link to the TV show page where that character can be discussed, and we can also note that some books have used the name as an alternative spelling of Charumati (including some by the national government of India in google books which I didn't list earlier) on that page; all of which can be added to source the alternative spelling at the Charumati page. This should clarify the tangle of content and direct readers to the right pages. Best.4meter4 (talk) 18:37, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @VocalIndia, 4meter4 Please provide sources that establish Charumitra to be a notable play. The TV show character is not notable for their own article. Venkat TL (talk) 16:54, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 2 Sure here are some refs below.4meter4 (talk) 17:41, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The work is included in this anthology:
 * That same book is also viewable here where different pages can be seen. In that link you can see the anthology's author describe the play as a widely recognized masterpiece of Hindi theatre on page 166.
 * The play is specifically mentioned in the Drama-Hindi entry within this encyclopedia (meaning its a seminal work in Hindi drama to actually be mentioned in the broader topic):
 * The play was translated and published in English in 1957:
 * That translation is part of the collection at the Library of Congress and is included in
 * There is a review of the play offline in
 * The play is discussed in this peer reviewed journal article
 * I would imagine more sources exist in foreign languages, but this is what I was able to find in English. I think the fact that it's included in an anthology used to teach Hindi drama in survey college courses on the subject and it's mentioning in an encyclopedia entry on Hindi drama make it clear this work is a significant play deserving of an encyclopedia entry.
 * 4meter4, thank you. Please go ahead and start the article on play. In that case this page can become disambiguation. Venkat TL (talk) 17:55, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. I knocked off a decent start to the article. Unfortunately with only an excerpt, it's a difficult to write a plot synopsis. Hopefully someone who reads Hindi can expand. Interestingly enough, we have zero coverage on Hindi language plays on the encyclopedia beyond Hindi theatre. This is the first article on a Hindi language play in the English language wiki.4meter4 (talk) 19:03, 28 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep as a disambiguation page agree per . I can’t wait to see 4meter4's creation. Thanks VocalIndia (talk) 16:13, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. I have now turned the article into a disambiguation page.4meter4 (talk) 19:41, 28 September 2021 (UTC)


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