Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chase Koch


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Koch Industries. While there is no consensus for deletion, there is consensus that there is not a sufficient basis for an article. The page is therefore redirected, and consensus will have to determine whether and what content to merge where to from the history. (This closure undoes, after user talk page discussion, a previous "no consensus" closure by me.)  Sandstein   07:13, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Chase Koch

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There are no sources. Its not notable. And it was created by a single-purpose user, Factorhk, who has been active entirely to vandalize Koch-related articles with POV changes. Therefore I am concerned that the creation of this article serves as a means for future vandalism. DaltonCastle (talk) 22:22, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2016 March 31.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 22:44, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as nothing at all for solid independent notability. SwisterTwister   talk  23:00, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:34, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:34, 1 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep I'm sorry, but a look at the "news" links coverage shows that he does meet GNG, independent of the traffic accident incident. Also, in reading the above statement "nothing at all for solid independent notability" so far from the case that I have to ask: did you actually click on the "news" link directly above and look? I am sympathetic to the POV magnet concern, and of course we need to keep BLP concerns in mind, but he does seem to be an independently notable member of the Koch business family. Editorial issues, vandalism and such can be met through normal editing, warnings, AIV, etc. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:39, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kansas-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:43, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Conservatism-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:46, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, so one source. That still doesn't address notability. DaltonCastle (talk) 00:48, 1 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete We have an article on a man who back when he was 16 killed someone who was crossing the street, that at the time only got noted in the local press. He is now the owner of a subsidiary company of his father's, but we have no evidence that anyone takes notice of him for such. No indepedent notability, and this looks like it was written as an attack page, especially since the fact he was only 16 when the accident occured was left out. Such being done by a new, inexperienced driver is perceived much differently than if he had killed someone when he was in his twenties. The article stinks of an attack page.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:12, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment We have one source that is a local paper about the vehicular homicide, that is not enough to establish notability, and may only mention him because his father is notable. The other is an article on his father, that as far as I can tell only mentions he is the son of his father. None of the sources even establish the claim he is head of a subsidiary of Koch Industries.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:15, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Nonsense. The Fortune magazine article expressly says he is being groomed for that, and then there are at least three stories in the Wichita Business Journal including this and this. All easily discoverable at the news link above. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 10:59, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

*Keep Chase Koch, who has been appointed to run a business with billions of dollars in annual revenue by his father, and is also heir (with his sister) to a $50 billion fortune, is clearly a notable figure. Koch Fertiliser is a multi-billion dollar business with operations across the United States. Chase Koch clearly meets the general notability guideline--Plainswin (talk) 16:56, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as BLP1E. SST flyer 00:04, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Plainswin, the article creator Factorhk and Arenwils (voted below) are all the same person. Arenwils has been accepted as their only account and I have unstruck that vote below. -- GB fan 10:34, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - Per WP:BLP1E. Subject lacks notability outside of one incident that took place when he was 16 years old. Being the president of a subsidiary is not in itself notable. Meatsgains (talk) 00:15, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:BLAR to Koch_Industries. Koch Fertilizer is a subsidiary of a subsidiary. At this stage of Chase's career he is notable only as a CEO of a big company. No doubt his noteworthiness will increase with time. – S. Rich (talk) 17:31, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vipinhari  &#124;&#124;  talk  18:48, 9 April 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per WP:BLP1E. Subjects fails notability guidelines per WP:BIO and WP:42.--Ddcm8991 (talk) 19:51, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't know where all the "1 event" stuff is coming from, I just clicked on the news link and found dozens of articles suitable to show passage of WP:GNG.--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:58, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   21:07, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Clearly notable, heir to a $43 billion fortune, a serious corporate executive in his own right, and being groomed as the CEO of the second largest private corporation in the United States. Arenwils (talk) 16:58, 18 April 2016 (UTC) (talk • contribs) 16:33, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment DaltonCastle suggests that there are no sources. There are lots of sourses. DaltonCastle suggests that Koch is not notable. He is obviously notable. DaltonCastle seems to be very keen that Koch's page and that of his sister Elizabeth be deleted, the Kochs are known to be extremely interested in privacy, a connection between the two does not seem out of the question.
 * Restored comments from Arenwils. This account has been accepted as the primary account of the article creator Factorhk. The user has three accounts those two along with Pllainswin. Leaving the comment from Planned on struck above as they only get one highlighted vote. -- GB fan 10:34, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The above user is under investigation for sock puppetry. DaltonCastle (talk) 17:37, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Insinuating that other users are tools of the Kochs is a serious accusation. Please do not make such accusations without solid evidence, lest it be considered a personal attack. GABHello! 20:35, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

*Weak delete. Borderline case, but I did not find quite enough to suggest independent notability. He may be the president of a company, but there does not seem to be too much substantial coverage of him, considering most of the sources simply refer to him in the context of his famous relatives. GABHello! 20:33, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Changed my mind. Merge with Koch Industries, as per below. GABHello! 19:13, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge with Koch Industries, which apart from the 1E that's attracting all the debate above, is his only claim to fame - and as an appointed executive as a family member in a family business that doesn't stand out as notability, and can be mentioned in the article about the business. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:44, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - If we were to merge the page, rather than delete it, the only notable information that could be added to Koch Industries' page would be that Chase Koch is president of Koch Fertilizer. Meatsgains (talk) 22:47, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - This article itself is still actually questionable for the necessary solid independent notability and the article is currently not seeming confident to Keep or Merge thus I believe Delete is best until a better article is available. SwisterTwister   talk  05:53, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete; notability is not inherited. All coverage I could find had to do with family ties or trivial business transactions, such as land purchases; none were extensive about the subject. The fact that he runs Koch Fertilizer might appear relevant; the Koch Industries article includes a subsection titled Koch Ag & Energy Solutions which has a small paragraph dedicated to the fertilizer company. This bit of information (him being president) could be added there, but I see no point in including other biographical content at this stage. Best, FoCuS contribs ;  talk to me!  20:56, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep It's hard for the extremely rich to manage to not be notable. They leave a big footprint.
 * That said, the traffic offence should go. It's way past UNDUE to have it here. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:04, 23 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep There is significant coverage of Chase Koch in the Fortune article (link): "But there is one young up-and-comer at Koch who generates more speculation than anybody: Charles Chase Koch. Charles Koch’s son, known as Chase, inherited his father’s sense of fierce competition, say those who know him, and was a nationally ranked tennis player by the time he was 12. Now 36, Chase studied business at Texas A&M and joined Koch Industries in his mid-twenties. It appears that he is being groomed for leadership. Chase has shadowed senior executives and other employees in different divisions of Koch since being hired. He is now a vice president of Koch’s agronomics division, and in early 2014 he will be promoted to president of Koch Fertilizer, helping to guide the company’s expansion efforts. The company declined to make Chase available for an interview for this story." An article from The Wichita Eagle is titled "Buyer of 70 acres is newlywed Chase Koch". It notes that Chase Koch was employed at his family's Koch Industries, he bought 70 acres near 21st and Greenwich from Bruce and Sharon Brown for a little more than $3 million, that he plans to keep the property residential, and that in June 2010 he was a newlywed. The articles from the Wichita Business Journal linked by Shawn in Montreal as well as this one which is titled "Chase Koch to lead Salvation Army’s Mission of Hope campaign" are short but help contribute to notability per Notability (people): "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability." A merge to Koch Industries likely would be unable to include the Fortune article's information about Chase Koch's being "a nationally ranked tennis player by the time he was 12", his studying business at Texas A&M, and his business background. Cunard (talk) 21:49, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * A Fortune article might be helpful towards establishing notability, but you need to look at the big picture. One decent yet partial source doesn't cut the mark per WP:GNG. The Wichita Eagle has a circulation of about 90k, and that sort of coverage (land purchases or any other trivia) is precisely what constitutes minor coverage that is not extensive. I don't see why him being a tennis player is relevant, regardless of the source. I also fail to understand how being rich is tantamount to being notable. Importantly, I think you are both confused: the Fortune article is about his father, who is also called Charles; the article only contains the single paragraph about Chase being president of the fertilizer arm. He clearly fails general notability. FoCuS contribs ;  talk to me!  00:34, 25 April 2016 (UTC)


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